# Can't call out a guild that doesn't exist anymore **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [October 20, 2020, 1:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651 "2020-10-20T13:49:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 1:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/1 "2020-10-20T13:49:42Z")
![Screenshot_20201020-083740](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/1/c154d04d5a6e60ec6f21df89288cb0171d49dd40.jpeg) ![Screenshot_20201020-083625](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/0/b/0b1fac6a4579c822871db18cf2f6b976f4358f88.jpeg) Thanks to the devs for making a solution for the issue (and @Fourdottwoone for pointing it out.) Any Bracket 2 Guild’s week will NOT be ruined thanks to a bracket 2 guild disbanding in the lead up to guild wars. (Still worth noting though…) P.S. All the developer attitude in the world won’t solve the flaws your game has. Neither will shitting on me for pointing out those flaws. I’m just as happy to point out when the devs make a positive change as well. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 2:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/2 "2020-10-20T14:27:58Z")
Are you sure this guild really gets matched against anyone? Going by the 5.1 patch notes this won’t happen: > [@5.1 Update](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/5-1-update/65392/1): > > We have fixed the bug where Dead/Empty Guilds could be encountered in Guild Wars, where there are no members in the guild to fight against. ---
**Author:** ![Neritar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/neritar/32/39263_2.png) [@Neritar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Neritar)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 2:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/3 "2020-10-20T14:48:39Z")
How that dead guild can avoid matching against active guild? We have even number of guilds in a bracket. Devs probably fixed that the Dead/Empty Guild removes from bracket seeding before the GW week, but if guild disbanded during GW week it still should get an opponent. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/4 "2020-10-20T15:01:29Z")
> [@Neritar](#): > > How that dead guild can avoid matching against active guild? The guild you are matched against only shows up at the start of the day, when teams get locked in. They could technically check at that point and avoid empty guilds. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 3:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/5 "2020-10-20T15:07:08Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#): > > Are you sure this guild really gets matched against anyone? Going by the 5.1 patch notes this won’t happen: I thought I read that somewhere but couldn’t find it. So thanks. And I assumed we wouldn’t see them in the bracket if that was the case. But okay I hope you’re right. 🤞 ---
**Author:** ![Live](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/live/32/40596_2.png) [@Live](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Live)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/6 "2020-10-20T15:19:22Z")
btw. League Rank 999.999 - why? ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 3:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/7 "2020-10-20T15:39:40Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > But okay I hope you’re right. I’m hoping too, I’m not inclined to bet on it though. Haven’t yet heard of any bracket 2 guild actually fighting Narkomani today, that’s probably a good sign. Might be helpful if we could get an opponent list of all 9 active guilds, to see if Narkomani is really left out. ---
**Author:** ![Merxian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/merxian/32/20640_2.png) [@Merxian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Merxian)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 3:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/8 "2020-10-20T15:49:10Z")
I am curious how do we think a guild being left out would work? With 9 remaining guilds, either 2 guilds are facing the same opponent, or someone is getting a bye. Unless you replace Narkomani with AI defenses, not sure what the alternative would be. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/9 "2020-10-20T16:14:45Z")
> [@Merxian](#): > > I am curious wow do we think a guild being left out would work? With 9 remaining guilds, either 2 guilds are facing the same opponent, or someone is getting a bye. Only if they face each other bidirectionally (which they so far did). In theory, fights could also be arranged A → B, B → C, C → A. Only the attacker gains points, so this would still work out. Display would be a bit wonky, you would see the guild you are attacking, not the guild you are defending against. You’d really only notice by paying attention to your PvP logs though. Which other guilds are in bracket 2? Maybe we can get them all to name the guild they are fighting today, for further analysis? ---
**Author:** ![ChunkyMono](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/chunkymono/32/69308_2.png) [@ChunkyMono](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ChunkyMono)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 4:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/10 "2020-10-20T16:34:33Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > 3 guilds will get lucky…6 will not. If the guilds destined to face the Disbanded Guild all faced Firebomb defenses instead, then 6 Guilds would get lucky and 3 would not. Assuming of course those 6 guilds all had 27 members that could beat a Firebombs defense, I’d imagine that the 3 that didn’t wouldn’t score quite as high. Just an unfortunate situation all around. I hate to see a guild disband. I’d also hate to see a guild with 1 or 2 members left jamming up the GW bracket system, dropping 2 GW brackets at a time. Maybe it is for the best that they disbanded. Edit: There were times in our GW crusade that we encountered 1 member dead guilds that sometimes had 2 defender options. It is possible that the other member left sometime prior to that guild becoming dead. A more fair option would be to have any guild facing the now empty guild face the options that were locked in at reset of day 1 (or their most recent GW day, such as the final day of the previous GW). It may be that all 5 battles would be vs the same opponent. That happens in other brackets. It may also be vs 5 opponents with Firebomb defenses, just as long as that isn’t the default, go-to option. ---
**Author:** ![PGSundling](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/pgsundling/32/39480_2.png) [@PGSundling](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/PGSundling)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/11 "2020-10-20T17:04:57Z")
All 9 guilds get a little lucky because one slot on the way down is already taken. If the defenses before disband are in effect, they might all be hard defenses and thereforce have little effect. Plus most people in bracket 1-3 win most of their fights anyway. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/12 "2020-10-20T18:34:42Z")
A guild member just pointed out a very logical point. Because everyone in bracket 2 has points except Narkomani. We know that no one is facing them today and shouldn’t be the rest of the week. I’ll update the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Evildave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Evildave](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Evildave)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/13 "2020-10-20T19:38:57Z")
I’m from Kcv and today we are facing YaRebel. ---
**Author:** ![Smash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/smash/32/5574_2.png) [@Smash](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Smash)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 8:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/14 "2020-10-20T20:51:40Z")
They fought Palladium today, which has points, so they are fighting someone. I would say, that the ranks were locked in for the day. My concern is rest of the week, if they disbanded after new day today when GW had started, and whats gonna happen if the teams are not yet locked in for days 2-6. All we can do is wait and see ---
**Author:** ![Vivi\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/2acd7d/32.png) [@Vivi\_Cat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vivi_Cat)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 9:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/15 "2020-10-21T09:04:23Z")
I am from Tyrant. We face this guild today. Even it shows 0/30 member for that guild, we actually fight one lucky man. And he is not in that guild currently 🤣 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/a/b/ab95a34c68cefd4c0fdc9315c6424c2fc3e3862d.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/b/6/b619e15a7c074fd6d41909b167d32f2f068ce8eb.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/8/0/803f4d59b258df6f39f344b3233adc0760cde5cf.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Evildave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Evildave](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Evildave)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/16 "2020-10-21T17:00:16Z")
Hi Vivi, did you face a regular defense or something out of the ordinary? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![TheCuillin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8e7dd6/32.png) [@TheCuillin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheCuillin)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/17 "2020-10-21T18:35:12Z")
If it’s any consolation, it’s not just your platform @awryan that is witnessing guild implosion. The very same is happening on xbox 1 with a top 10 wars guild imploding to the extent of a membership of 2. I am not privy as to the catalyst of this situation but I am witnessing several top 40 guilds dying in an alarming fashion. I can’t speculate on why this is happening and can’t compel myself to point the finger at new content (arena) as the camel’s straw ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/18 "2020-10-21T19:07:20Z")
> [@TheCuillin](#): > > I am not privy as to the catalyst of this situation but I am witnessing several top 40 guilds dying in an alarming fashion. Epic tasks were a huge mistake and the devs have only made more errors since the inclusion. > [@Upcoming Gems Sale (This Weekend!)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/upcoming-gems-sale-this-weekend/66011/3): > > I can’t give you a figure on how may gems need to be bought to remove Epic Tasks, because we don’t have any plans to remove them at this time. Our game numbers and metrics are looking good. If they significantly dropped that would be another story, but they have not. If they ever do drop significantly over a period of time, we will of course address them. But they are either looking at the metrics with beer goggles on or blowing smoke up our asses. I know the loss in revenue is all going to be blamed on Covid and that’s an unfortunate out. Because the loss in revenue is mainly due to the devs expecting us to play more and more for the exact same or diminishing rewards. People aren’t dumb. But 505/Infinity Plus 2 treats them like they are. Enraged Kurandara costing 8 Power Orbs told me that I’ll never waste my money on another power orb again. Because they don’t put serious thought into things like it. So I’m not going to waste serious money on it. That’s just one issue out of 100 that have been summoned the past 11 months. Next month Gems of War is going to celebrate it’s final anniversary if they don’t figure out it’s not just about getting new players in…but keeping them around that’s key for success. Because guilds can’t just survive on just new players. And new players can’t survive without guilds. ---
**Author:** ![Evildave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Evildave](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Evildave)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 7:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/19 "2020-10-21T19:15:08Z")
One of our guild member remind us that we get our defense point after our first win. So it make sense that they are still at 0. ---
**Author:** ![TheCuillin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8e7dd6/32.png) [@TheCuillin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheCuillin)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 7:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651/20 "2020-10-21T19:21:20Z")
I think the absolute truth is that the devs have totally lost control of their code. Numerous updates leave blatant game flaws unaddressed. The game becomes increasingly broken and the relentless onslaught of “gimme gimme gimme” prevails. I don’t invest in shoddy produce and gems has certainly become that. Nothing is ever fixed. Admittedly “new content” is hampered by the simplicity of a match 3 game but it’s really a mess right now. I anticipate no improvement because the publishers want content and cash above all else. The code is shafted and the game will never recover. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/cant-call-out-a-guild-that-doesnt-exist-anymore/66651.md?page=2)