# Can You Stun Hero Talents? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [July 13, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505 "2018-07-13T17:32:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/1 "2018-07-13T17:32:09Z")
So, I was in a state of giddy euphoria watching the banishment talent pop tower barriers during Invasion. Then suddenly, I noticed that barriers failed to pop when I made a 4 match. After getting over my annoyance, I realized that my hero was stunned. TLDR; Can hero talents be stunned or is this a bug? @Saltypatra @Cyrup ---
**Author:** ![Lafella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lafella/32/43099_2.png) [@Lafella](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lafella)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/2 "2018-07-13T18:46:41Z")
You can, hero talents work like extra trails. I saw that many time. ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/3 "2018-07-13T18:48:09Z")
I think they might have stealth added stunning talents. I don’t think it worked like that at patch release. Or I’m wrong lol ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/4 "2018-07-13T18:52:10Z")
Yes. Can also confirm this, have tested in-game. Stunned hero loses the talent effects. Figures, as they are just extra traits. ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/5 "2018-07-13T19:13:07Z")
Thanks to all. 😺 This is good to know then. I didn’t notice it working like this initially. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 7:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/6 "2018-07-13T19:14:28Z")
> [@Ashasekayi](#): > > I didn’t notice it working like this initially. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t. If it was a ninja fix, it is appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 7:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/7 "2018-07-13T19:36:13Z")
Pretty sure it was 😀 one of the first things I nosed into and tested… Ninja fixes are rare. Devs are usually open about anything changed. Fixes, even, are rare enough these days. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/8 "2018-07-13T19:51:18Z")
🤷‍♂️ We’ll probably never know, and it really doesn’t matter. As long as they can be stunned, then all is right with the world. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/9 "2018-07-13T20:55:35Z")
When this patch hit. I distinctly remember someone saying that talents couldn’t be stunned. Not saying I caused the change. But I know I mentioned the frustration of not being able to stun and stop the endless bandit summon less than a week ago. Ninja fixes still happen… Such as off the top of my head. - Draakulis steal life used to not buff from fairie fire. - Draakulis steal life would gain life despite barriers. And most can remember this one… > [@I’d like to say thank you to the devs and I hope the rest of you do too!](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-d-like-to-say-thank-you-to-the-devs-and-i-hope-the-rest-of-you-do-too/28409/99): > > I’m thankful for the Arena/Dawnbringer fix and also for the ninja fix they made to the Soulforge rotation. It happened 3 months ago, but we only found out about it yesterday. If I have the new system figured out, I’ll be able to predict the Soulforge lineup for two weeks from now on Monday, and I am certain that Infernus will appear in one of the next two weeks. In both cases, they were just nice, rational fixes to existing problems and I appreciate both. I think there was something else rec… ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/10 "2018-07-13T21:01:45Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > I distinctly remember someone saying that talents couldn’t be stunned. I definitely bitched about it, but I don’t think I tested it that carefully. It is definitely possible that they were stunnable and I was just wrong, though you’d think someone would have pointed out my error at that time. And ninja-fixes are most certainly a thing, particularly right after a patch or sometimes right before when they are pushing partial data to servers and causing unintended bugs. That soulforge fix was a massive change and it took 3 months before we found out. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/11 "2018-07-13T21:14:36Z")
> [@Stan](#): > > though you’d think someone would have pointed out my error at that time. > [@The Archer's skill summon for a bandit instead of the main force](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-archers-skill-summon-for-a-bandit-instead-of-the-main-force/42030/16): > > As this isn’t a bug I’ll be closing this thread now. If you wish to provide feedback regarding this talent, please do so in the [feedback section](https://community.gemsofwar.com/c/feature-requests) of the forum so we can focus on helping players experiencing bugs in this section slight_smile I would hope that @Kafka would’ve told me I was an idiot (in a nice way) and mentioned that talent trees could be stunned if it was true at the time. She’s really good about asking other devs if she doesn’t know for sure. > [@The Archer's skill summon for a bandit instead of the main force](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-archers-skill-summon-for-a-bandit-instead-of-the-main-force/42030/15): > > Too well in my opinion. Since talent trees can’t be stunned. Only death of a hero troop can mostly end the ridiculous amount of bandits being resummoned even when the bandits themselves are killed. I say mostly because even when the hero dies…a bandit can be summoned in it’s place. I’m not a big fan of nerfs…I just need a better option than the present one to counter the ridiculous summon rate. I can’t think of any trait like this hero talent skill. They’re not so much a threat to lose the ma… ---
**Author:** ![Kafka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kafka/32/33529_2.png) [@Kafka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kafka)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 5:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/12 "2018-07-19T05:29:52Z")
Hey sorry for the delayed reply. @awryan I think I remember telling you talents can’t be stunned but I’ve just checked and if I did say that I was very wrong sorry! Talents can be stunned, I’ve just confirmed it with 2 devs. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 5:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/13 "2018-07-19T05:34:15Z")
Is it intended? Because it’s meh and Stun description doesn’t say anything about talents… Why not a new status effect “Shame: block talent”? ← it’s a joke we have enough of them… ---
**Author:** ![Kafka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kafka/32/33529_2.png) [@Kafka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kafka)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 6:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/14 "2018-07-19T06:40:06Z")
Yes it’s intended. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/15 "2018-07-19T06:51:00Z")
Talents are just extra traits (passive effects like all the others - most of them parallel existing troop traits). Repeating myself I guess. I think it’s good that Stun cancels them - both intuitive and useful. Just needs the help text to be clear that Stun also negates Talents. ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 7:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/can-you-stun-hero-talents/42505/16 "2018-07-19T07:13:02Z")
> [@Kafka](#): > > Hey sorry for the delayed reply. > > @awryan I think I remember telling you talents can’t be stunned but I’ve just checked and if I did say that I was very wrong sorry! > > Talents can be stunned, I’ve just confirmed it with 2 devs. Thanks for the official confirmation.