# Be a player, not a customer? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [April 3, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844 "2018-04-03T18:32:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jeno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jeno/32/20235_2.png) [@jeno](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/jeno)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/21 "2018-04-03T19:35:40Z")
this thread had helped spread the word about the movement more than the name change ever did 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Orochi2018](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bcef8e/32.png) [@Orochi2018](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Orochi2018)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/22 "2018-04-03T19:36:59Z")
I suppose that was his intention,otherwise why would you post it.But unfortunately,these movements are useless. ---
**Author:** ![Doc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/doc/32/38322_2.png) [@Doc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Doc)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/23 "2018-04-03T19:37:26Z")
Playing the game as much as you do based on your level and 60+LT per week claim, helps push the game to more people thus increasing the revenue. Add to that the fact that without paying players there would be no game for you to play, and no forums for you to boast on. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/24 "2018-04-03T19:42:13Z")
> [@Doc](#): > > for you to boast on. I’m asked questions, and I answer them. “Boasting” seems a bit like an allegation. Be mindful that I am not the one who brought my protest to the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Doc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/doc/32/38322_2.png) [@Doc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Doc)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/25 "2018-04-03T19:43:37Z")
You didnt title your own recruitment thread? That is the boasting I’m talking about. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/26 "2018-04-03T19:47:30Z")
> [@Doc](#): > > You didnt title your own recruitment thread? That is the boasting I’m talking about. Lol… Sorry for reporting facts to get the attention of players. In literally “the recruiting category”. Is it boastful for the guilds ranked #1 to say exactly that? ---
**Author:** ![Santandrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/santandrix/32/68758_2.png) [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/27 "2018-04-03T19:48:52Z")
> [@Excuse the brag, but](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/excuse-the-brag-but/32826): > > At 10 months and 27 days old…AWR is a Top 50 Guild! I would like to personally thank all of you past and present members. It’s been amazing experience leading this machine and I’m honored to serve you as the GM. You all are absolutely amazing! relaxed I’d say with those stats you are a very big supporter of gems of war. Congratulations @awryan! U guys are machines! ---
**Author:** ![Doc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/doc/32/38322_2.png) [@Doc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Doc)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/28 "2018-04-03T19:50:08Z")
I never said you shouldn’t boast on your recruitment thread, but boasting it is. ---
**Author:** ![Doc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/doc/32/38322_2.png) [@Doc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Doc)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/29 "2018-04-03T19:51:32Z")
If you are dead set on arguing with me @awryan, I’m your huckleberry. ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/30 "2018-04-03T19:53:30Z")
> [@Orochi2018](#): > > Pointless to protest,the game went to the true gacha route with the hope that they can get a fraction of the profit that other gacha games like Granblue Fantasy and Fate GO get.Difference is that Gow Mythic droprates are so low,that no other gacha game come close to that,so until they try to make the rates similar to the world most profitable mobile games,nothing will change for them either.Still no top 200 on the worldwide mobile market(or IOS,Android,USA only etc) after all these years,putting pure p2w boring gamemodes are not enough. As much as GoW adopts some concepts of “gacha games” the core mechanics were always very distinct from some of these games you mentioned. The elements of gameplay such as progression, the presence of features like Soulforge, the absence of “one-time-deal” events to acquire a single item/troop/whatever makes GoW very welcoming to new players. (But some extra incetives for new players can surely still be explored in the future.) Just my two cents. ---
**Author:** ![AngryMidget](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/angrymidget/32/10478_2.png) [@AngryMidget](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AngryMidget)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/31 "2018-04-03T19:57:49Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > Be mindful that I am not the one who brought my protest to the forums. With all due respect, that wasn’t for lack of trying. Had you’re request for a certain title for being a Regular been allowed… ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/32 "2018-04-03T19:57:57Z")
> [@Doc](#): > > I never said you shouldn’t boast on your recruitment thread, but boasting it is. To criticize an action and say you “never told me not to” is like telling someone they’re dumb, but saying “I never called you an idiot”. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/33 "2018-04-03T19:58:38Z")
> [@Santandrix](#): > > I’d say with those stats you are a very big supporter of gems of war. Congratulations @awryan! U guys are machines! Now that post was in fact “boastful”. 😉 And thanks! Due to the heavy amount of drama lately on the forums. I chose not to make a big deal out of us reaching the top 20 last Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![Orochi2018](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bcef8e/32.png) [@Orochi2018](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Orochi2018)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/34 "2018-04-03T19:59:21Z")
In Fate GO,you can literally win with any unit,even 1\* units,yet its still the 2nd most profitable game in the world,and there is no pvp there either.Granblue is the same deal.I have 39 SSR units(They are like Mythics in GoW,just way better droprate)after 6 months,in GoW i have 4 mythics after 3 years.I spent money for GoW,spent nothing on Granblue.I think this can give you a pretty good idea.Granblue has events where you can get free rolls(its like getting free Mythics)The games are similar,but Granblue doing things WAY better then GoW.Gacha means getting units from drawing,like using keys in Gow.They have the exact same money making system,its just GoW droprates are way worse,and their profit is nonexistant compared to Granblue or Fate GO. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/35 "2018-04-03T20:02:09Z")
> [@AngryMidget](#): > > With all due respect, that wasn’t for lack of trying. I tried when I still very upset about the last straw that caused the protest to begin. A few days later I deleted the request. If that was the post that started this conversation today then I’d take full responsibility for it. But this is what…3-4 weeks after the fact? ---
**Author:** ![Doc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/doc/32/38322_2.png) [@Doc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Doc)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/36 "2018-04-03T20:03:18Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > To criticize an action When did I criticize you for boasting? ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/37 "2018-04-03T20:04:23Z")
> [@Doc](#): > > no forums for you to boast on. 🤷🤦 (Less than 10) ---
**Author:** ![Doc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/doc/32/38322_2.png) [@Doc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Doc)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/38 "2018-04-03T20:05:48Z")
Is that a criticism or an observation? I thought it was the latter. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/39 "2018-04-03T20:13:27Z")
The choice of words is the actual criticism. I expect someone who refers to themselves as “Doc” to be much more intelligent. My apology for the assumption. And I’m not saying you’re an idiot mind you, just that you should probably review a dictionary. ![Screenshot_20180403-151042_Chrome](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/d/4d077974ef7f4fa9898c58921e8f80d56a9e785e.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Doc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/doc/32/38322_2.png) [@Doc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Doc)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844/40 "2018-04-03T20:16:23Z")
Ok, that’s fair enough. While I do maybe you should review an economics textbook. Flip to the index and look for “The sunk cost fallacy” [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/be-a-player-not-a-customer/37844.md?page=3)