# As Requested by a Dev: A Thread about Devs' Actions/Inactions
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445
**Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback
**Created:** [February 17, 2020, 7:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445 "2020-02-17T07:26:28Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Denthegod](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Denthegod)
#### Post date: [December 11, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/397 "2020-12-11T20:15:34Z")
The way you want them to respond is exactly the way they used to respond. They don’t do it like that anymore because they got crapped on for it. What we have now is the result of the animosity that was shown to them when they responded the way you want them to.
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### Author:  [@MagiBelgr](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/MagiBelgr)
#### Post date: [December 11, 2020, 8:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/398 "2020-12-11T20:25:11Z")
Mate this is now the fourth time you have made exactly the same point. I get it, but it’s not my fault!
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### Author:  [@Denthegod](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Denthegod)
#### Post date: [December 11, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/399 "2020-12-11T20:29:48Z")
Yeah, sorry, bro. It sucks those other guys ruined it for you.
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### Author:  [@rojo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/rojo)
#### Post date: [December 11, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/400 "2020-12-11T23:18:54Z")
I think some may be wanting more of them flash offers for real money for those that cannot wait.
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [December 12, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/401 "2020-12-12T00:17:03Z")
Don’t get too worked up on imperial deeds guys. There may be a few stat points difference now between the lucky and unlucky but pretty soon all endgamers will be sitting on the same stat points, that is, all kingdoms will be lv 15. We will all reach this point some sooner than others but not by too much. Even the unluckiest players will get all to 15 way way way before anyone gets any kingdom to 20.
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### Author:  [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2020, 3:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/402 "2020-12-16T15:46:21Z")
**On the 5.3 day of Xmas … the usual QA Standard.**
We got a Shriney new update, and while we could highlight how it has evolved the ‘pay to reduce grind’ philosophy into a ‘grind to pay to reduce grind’ ( [New Shrines](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-shrines/67689) ); or feel the familiarity of how the single item in the ‘Bug Fixes’ section is being reported throughout the forums as a persistent bug ( [[More info needed] TOD scrolls bug - #50 by Dank](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/more-info-needed-tod-scrolls-bug/66205/50) ; [Game hangs on rewards screen after using a heroism scroll in ToD [WORKING ON A FIX] - #9 by dweeves](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/game-hangs-on-rewards-screen-after-using-a-heroism-scroll-in-tod/67683/9) ); or even talk about how many people across platforms reported being unable to access the game at all, have to re-download all assets (déjà vu);
…or the positive confirmed buff to VIP keys, and the rumored (inexplicably not mentioned in the release notes, but increasingly supported by evidence) appearance of Power Orbs in Major Chaos Orbs,
…all of that is already being documented in the forum.
One thing worth noting (given the ongoing conversation about GoW Communications) is how we continue to see a less inflamed reaction from the forum when compared to $imilarly-oriented updates, and this has been the case for a couple of months+ now: while it may be coincidental, this appears to correlate with the Mods’ shift in communication prose (and number of Mods interacting with the community), whereas they opted to prioritize silence over the alternative patronizing/dismissing that we have observed in the past (yes, the Pet Gnomes in Arena thing is still the freshest example 😛 ).
Why is this worth highlighting? Because it adequately illustrates a point brought forward on several occasions but dismissed by Mods: the Messenger matters, because s/he determines how the Message is delivered.
And how the Message is delivered matters, especially when the Message is pretty much $et in $tone.
Regrettably (and despite the evidence), this continues to be refused by the Mods because ‘the communication would be the same’:
> [@Milk, Bones, & Muscles - A Sincere Letter to the Devs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/milk-bones-muscles-a-sincere-letter-to-the-devs/67594/50):
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> To be clear, we won’t be hiring or using player representatives for communication, as the communication would be the same. They wouldn’t be able to say more than I can, and would mean information gets passed along more slowly, as there would be another point of contact before things are released to the community.
…and that may mean that those of us who have become accustomed with GoW’s QA (and set the expectation bar accordingly to avoid disappointment), may now want to start looking into embracing the current communications status quo as the acceptable standard, given the historical alternatives…
…at least until some non-Mod authority sees the facts and the value of further improving Communications with Customers.
😊 🖖
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### Author:  [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/403 "2021-01-08T18:32:11Z")
> [@\[REPORTED\] Manage team button not working](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/manage-team-button-not-working/68011):
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> Platform, device version and operating system: Mobile Screenshot or image: What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened: When trying to copy/paste a team build, I am unable to because the “manage” button does not take me to the next screen. This happens most often in delves. How often does this happen? When did it begin happening? The issue happens consistently in faction assault games and normal underworld delving. Steps to make it happen again I head to faction assault…
> [@\[REPORTED\] Spell Images Distorted](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spell-images-distorted/68062):
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> Platform, device version and operating system: Android Screenshot or image: What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened: Usually I can see enemy troops, and spell images are as big as the troop image. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to see the new Faction troops and all spell graphics are messed up. How often does this happen? When did it begin happening? Ever since the Dark Quadrilateral Faction released. Steps to make it happen again Fill a …
> [@Mechataur's Grinding Bellow states 'splash' damage, is dealing 'light splash' damage](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/mechataurs-grinding-bellow-states-splash-damage-is-dealing-light-splash-damage/68061):
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> Specs Steam - Windows 10 Home Description Mechataur’s Grinding Bellow’s description states ‘splash’ damage, but on use is dealing ‘light splash’ damage Expected: Either: When I use Mechataur’s Grinding Bellow ability it deals splash damage. OR The description of Grinding Bellow is corrected to state ‘light splash damage’. How often does this happen? When did it begin happening? Happens every time. Note, may not be noticeable if light splash damage will kill the enemy. Steps to make it…
> [@\[REPORTED\] Incorrect opponent teams in world events](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-incorrect-opponent-teams-in-world-events/66942):
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> Platform, device version and operating system: PC, Steam What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened: I expected to fight the teams shown on the event map of the current “Ancient History” world event. Instead, I often had to fight some other team. The issue is caused by the refresh mechanism in this event. At some point, the map gets repopulated with new fights. This replaces the battle icons while still retaining the original teams. Restarting the game updates the teams to…
> [@\[FIXED\] New faction will introduce inconsistent banner](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029):
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> DISCLAIMER Not sure if bug or intended behaviour. Platform, device version and operating system: PC Screenshot or image: [grafik] What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened: Usually banners have either +1 to two colors, or +2 / +1 / -1. The new Maze Banner for tomorrow’s faction introduces a +2 / +2 / -1 combination. Game files for kingdom Id 3059 say this: "BannerColors": [0, 2, 2, 0, -1, 0] How often does this happen? When did it begin hap…
> [@The Labyrinth upper maze route broken](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-labyrinth-upper-maze-route-broken/68046):
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> Platform, device version and operating system: Xbox Screenshot or image: See below What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened: Assuming the maze was supposed to be an actual maze then it doesn’t work as the final room is locked by the bottom centre room. First room cleared… Going round the bottom route, no problems… Picking the shortest upper route doesn’t unlock the final room… The bottom centre room is the only way …
> [@\[FIXED\] The Labyrinth - NO IMAGES](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/working-on-a-fix-the-labyrinth-no-images/68042):
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> mobile android \*\* \*\*
Just another TGIF that meets the QA and professionalism standards documented throughout these forums: a key element for new players to $et their expectation$.
😊 🖖
#GoWprogrammingskills
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### Author:  [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2021, 6:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/404 "2021-02-02T06:58:39Z")
It is no longer news that the toxicity levels in the forums have been noticeably lower since the last quarter of 2020, for reasons that are documented therein and quickly observable by those who have been keeping an eye on patterns.
A ‘silence’ instead of ‘belligerence’ company approach has been arguably an improvement for all parties involved.
There are, however, signs of further possible improvement, as illustrated by a recent comment by a Mod:
> [@\[CONFUSING BUT NOT TECHNICALLY A BUG, FEEDBACK PASSED ON\] Pest Control Campaign Task works OPPOSITE to its description](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/confusing-but-not-technically-a-bug-feedback-passed-on-pest-control-campaign-task-works-opposite-to-its-description/68413/6):
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> This raises interesting points, but isn’t a critical bug. We need to prioritise those at this time.
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> It’s also worth mentioning that anytime we change any text in game we also need to get it localised and put it out for every language supported, so it isn’t as fast a change as people realise. We also pay all of our translators, so it isn’t a free change either.
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> I have passed the feedback on about the difference between gnomes being unclear at times, but this isn’t an issue that will be looked at promptly. We are working on other issues at this time, and there are other QoL improvements that are more vital.
Here we are able to observe a seemingly honest response, in a professional tone, that answers the actual issue being raised, and provides information on where the customers’ expectations should realistically lie:
- no patronizing/dismissing
- no dodging the actual question while seemingly answering a tangential one
- no spinning the reality to make it seem that this is as intended because it’s good for the customers
- no ‘our hands are tied’-style excuse to justify the product’s shortcomings
- not ignoring the topic altogether
While we can of course argue that there are always going to be ‘more vital’ priorities, and thus this sort of non-critical issue would never be addressed in such a status quo, it is hard to argue against the value of this type of communication style, especially if it can be done consistently on topics that matter to the playerbase (i.e. warbands, deeds, event medals…), and duly documented in the Official Forum (as opposed to some non-searchable echo-chamber stream).
Noteworthy, and therefore noted.
😊 🖖
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### Author:  [@NerdieBirdie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/NerdieBirdie)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2021, 1:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/405 "2021-02-02T13:46:51Z")
Good to see a deserved positive comment in this thread! Hoping for further improvement from both the team and us players down the line!
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### Author:  [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2021, 4:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/406 "2021-03-03T04:22:19Z")
> [@How am I supposed to lead a guild without the chat working?](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-am-i-supposed-to-lead-a-guild-without-the-chat-working/68834/21):
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> Our server programmer has been looking into this over the morning
When seeing things like the chat issue we faced yesterday, we can’t help but wonder: broken GW Scores, Weapon Affixes, Medals/Explore interfaces, Game Crashes, Text Inconsistencies, Ridiculous Localization… how are customers supposed to harmonize the claim that this company’s finances are doing outstandingly well, with their apparent inability (unwillingness?) to improve their product/service (e.g. ‘server programmers’ et al available 24/7 for all matters arising, not only those that may affect customers’ ability to spend on the product)?
The “all the massive gains are taken by the suits” suggestion seems a bit credulous, since suits pretty much anywhere know we should keep feeding such a (alleged) Golden Goose.
What then explains this company’s product/service quality?
🤔 😊 🖖
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### Author:  [@Snooj](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snooj)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/407 "2021-03-03T15:04:24Z")
I’m struggling to justify the game’s profits with the lack of hiring.
The chat issue seems to ultimately be a license issue as posted in global chat by a dev. Where are the sysadmins? Does the company have any? Sometimes companies like to be cheap and outsource them (everything is fine now, why pay them?), ignoring that they’re amazing at preventing disasters like this and also fixing them ASAP when they do happen. Some other companies like to instead give sysadmin roles to devs, and when it’s not their specialty, problems can come up. So, I have to think the company doesn’t have in house, full time, dedicated sysadmins.
There’s the QA issues. Is there a QA team? If so, is it in house or outsourced? The difference in quality between the two is massive. If the QA team is in house, is it a dedicated QA team, or is it just devs or other non-QA doing QA on the side?
Why are support tickets taking more than a month? I won’t comment on whether this should be a dedicated team or not, because I don’t have any professional experience with this and don’t know how it’s commonly or successfully done. But the turnaround time is way slower than other games I play that make less money (the longest I’ve seen is one week).
These issues are easily overlooked in new indie game companies. They’re small, have made no or very little profits, and everyone working there wears many hats. Yep, totally get that. But, this game has made 22 million in revenue since launch, and 5.6 million last year. I admit, that’s not profit though. I tried to find the game’s profit and couldn’t, but if someone knows it I’m definitely curious.
> [@AMT](#):
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> (e.g. ‘server programmers’ et al available 24/7 for all matters arising, not only those that may affect customers’ ability to spend on the product)?
I will admit I’m not too upset about the lack of 24/7 support. I’m a big supporter of companies not forcing evening/weekend work. Sure, people could be hired specifically for off hours, but that is way expensive. Personally I’d like to see sys admin and QA issue addressed before getting after hours support.
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### Author:  [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/408 "2021-03-03T15:09:36Z")
> [@The Chinese localization of the latest card description is still using machine translation](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-chinese-localization-of-the-latest-card-description-is-still-using-machine-translation/68847/6):
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> Result 34 injured an enemy and sealed them. If our attack is more violent and irritates ourselves, Otherwise, if we are attacked by the opponent, we will lose 10 points. Result? What’s result? Machine translation result? Sealed? More Violent? Attacked by the opponent? What’s the meaning of these?
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### Author:  [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/409 "2021-03-03T15:26:59Z")
> [@Snooj](#):
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> that is way expensive
Is it though, when we factor in the possibility of hiring in different timezones/countries and the resulting positive effect that would surely be reflected in app store ratings and recommendations?
🤔 😌 🖖
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### Author:  [@Snooj](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snooj)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/410 "2021-03-03T15:45:10Z")
> [@AMT](#):
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> Is it though, when we factor in the possibility of hiring in different timezones/countries and the resulting positive effect that would surely be reflected in app store ratings and recommendations?
Do they hire internationally? I thought it was Australia only, ignoring any possible outsourcing they may or may not do. Assuming they only hire in Australia, it can be a pain and horribly expensive to start hiring internationally unless they plan to do so on a large scale. I don’t think this is a big enough company (20ish people I think? I could be way off, thought I heard 20). Working with devs or QAs in different timezones when on a small team is painful. I’ve done it before, and won’t again unless it’s only a couple hours off at most. I’ve met good devs quit because of that type of setup so it can backfire.
Handling support tickets is likely easier than dev/qa to push to different timezones, but then you lose the benefit of getting broken features (like chat right now) worked on 24/7.
\*\*Disclaimer: Just in case I need to say this out loud, regarding this and my previous comment, my conspiracy hat is on. I do not know the inner workings of this company. I am making assumptions based off my own experience. I like to converse and enjoy word vomit. Do not take what I say as truth.
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### Author:  [@sls](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sls)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2021, 3:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/411 "2021-03-03T15:51:26Z")
> [@Snooj](#):
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> There’s the QA issues. Is there a QA team? If so, is it in house or outsourced? The difference in quality between the two is massive. If the QA team is in house, is it a dedicated QA team, or is it just devs or other non-QA doing QA on the side?
Didn’t they say their publisher is taking care of QA for them (😉)?
Anyway, their publisher’s (Digital Bros / 505) QA expenses for last fiscal year:
And last quarter:
In other words: QA expenses are down from 47’000 EUR per quarter in 2019 to 7’000 EUR per quarter now.
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### Author:  [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/412 "2021-03-03T16:07:58Z")
> [@Snooj](#):
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> Do they hire internationally?
If they don’t, whereas doing so would solve multiple issues, surely that’s on them?
They have recently been assimilated by their international 505 umbrella, so the infrastructure is there if there was a Will to improve…
…which historically hasn’t been there unless there’s short-term profit (or risk to existing profits).
😅 🖖
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### Author:  [@Tabu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tabu)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2021, 8:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/413 "2021-03-03T20:55:50Z")
Salty McEnany will tell us IP2 is In Australia, the bottom of the world, so lower numbers actually mean higher support. (She would have some usual suspects believing her too)
Yes, I know 505 is in Europe. It was a joke, but not something I wouldn’t expect from them.
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### Author:  [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2021, 11:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/414 "2021-03-03T23:49:04Z")
I just want to debunk one conspiracy theory, and say that our programmers were working on this issue in the morning of our work day, so they weren’t working outside of their usual hours.
I cannot comment on much else, which I’m sure isn’t a surprise. It is sensitive internal information which is why I haven’t commented on it before, and won’t do so in the future. (Just so you know I’ve read the comments here, but won’t be discussing the finer points with you all.)
What I can say is that I have been in talks with our higher ups about job roles and repsonsibilities, and mentioned that in the future we would benefit greatly from more staff on the community and support side. I don’t know if and when this would happen, but I have had discussions regarding the possibility.
I can also say that I doubt we will ever have 24/7 support, as our company size cannot justify it. Very few companies have it, and those that do are significantly bigger than IP2.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [March 4, 2021, 12:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/415 "2021-03-04T00:48:41Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#):
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> What I can say is that I have been in talks with our higher ups about job roles and repsonsibilities, and mentioned that in the future we would benefit greatly from more staff on the community and support side. I don’t know if and when this would happen, but I have had discussions regarding the possibility.
On another thread you made it clear that development of Puzzle Quest 3 hasn’t taken any man (or women) hours away from Gems of War. But certainly it will eventually in regards to support. Unless there’s going to be completely different support agents helping with eventual issues in regards to PQ3. With the game set for release this calendar year. And y’all now in month 3 of Gems of War support being very much behind the usual 1-2 week delay in tickets response time. Wouldn’t the solution be to expand the support staff now prior to PQ3 release? Clearly they will be busy for the next 6-9 months until they are definitely needed. Not saying PQ3 will launch for sure with issues. But if I was to bet on 2 things, I’d say the Sun will rise tomorrow and PQ3 will need more support agents than you presently have. I imagine this isn’t news to any of you. Still hearing that you’re trying to remedy the issue with support response time would be an improvement upon “we’re trying to help as much as we can, please be patient.”
I can’t speak for other players. But I know I personally spent tremendously more on Gems of War when I actually felt supported. And not because 10k exclamation marks were trying to draw my attention towards offers in the game.
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### Author:  [@Noctis](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Noctis)
#### Post date: [March 4, 2021, 1:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-requested-by-a-dev-a-thread-about-devs-actions-inactions/61445/416 "2021-03-04T01:17:53Z")
> [@awryan](#):
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> I’d say the Sun will rise tomorrow
Thanks to the valiant efforts of the Gems of War hero who restored the Dawnstone and resurrected Quetzalma the Dawn Phoenix.
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