# Archer vs Gloom Leaf **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [March 24, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/archer-vs-gloom-leaf/4906 "2016-03-24T15:44:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 16
**Author:** ![GemsCollector](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@GemsCollector](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/GemsCollector)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/archer-vs-gloom-leaf/4906/16 "2016-03-24T22:33:17Z")
I think it’s arguable whether it should do (GL’s Health+Armour)/2 or nothing, or maybe half of normal Attack damage from skulls, but definitely there’s a bug that I hope devs will address. Moreover: > [@Tacet](#): > > > [@Jainus](#): > > > > Does suggest the question, what happens if you Devour a trained Gloom Leaf? Does it rebound and kill you? > > It wouldn’t. Devour isn’t damage, it is an ability Usually it is, but I’m worried about Great Maw’s third trait The animation while using Devour (from spell) looks like it deals a lot of damage to the opponent. If it works the same way with skull-Devour it _could_ backfire somehow. > [@Tacet](#): > > The only glitch I have seen with thorns is that it can trigger early on mass skulls It’s slightly off-topic here, but that’s not the only ability that triggers that way. You can easily see it with Stone Skin and such (which is immaterial), but I also encountered it with Sheggra’s Molten and _I think_ with BD’s Frozen Soul: > [@Skull spamming: traits trigger on troops that weren't hit](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/skull-spamming-traits-trigger-on-troops-that-werent-hit/4555): > > What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened? I cast either Bone Dragon or Keeper of Souls spell (don’t remember which, but it created quite a lot of skulls). The first opponent troop was already dead, the second one was killed with those skulls and the third one was Sheggra with third trait - Molten - unlocked. Even though Sheggra didn’t loose any armour or health my Bone Dragon (from first slot) got Burning debuff. What are the steps to make it happen again? Create a lot … Definitely needs fixing too. --- _[View the full topic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/archer-vs-gloom-leaf/4906)._