# An idea for Poison **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [June 9, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340 "2017-06-09T20:05:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Venar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/venar/32/36634_2.png) [@Venar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Venar)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/1 "2017-06-09T20:05:53Z")
I know the poison buff is coming and i am late to the party, but… What if in addition to the damage, poisoned Troop _lost 1 mana per turn_? Think about it. Not too strong, but definitely something annoying, since a poisoned troop would never be able to cast it’s spell unless it filled up on the same turn! You wouldn’t be able to sit on a full tank and wait for the right moment. It would be, i think, just strong enough that you’d want to avoid or cure it, instead of just laughing as the poison tics tics at your 70 HP “oh no, i’ll die in 150 turns!” ---
**Author:** ![Arturo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@Arturo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arturo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/2 "2017-06-09T20:11:03Z")
making it harder to cast would be a very bad idea. not casting = not fun. see multitude of ‘nerf famine’ posts for to see why this is a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/3 "2017-06-09T20:11:24Z")
What was the confirmed poison buff? Or did they specify? My idea for it has always been to do 1 true damage every time a troop that is poisoned gets repoisoned. ---
**Author:** ![Arturo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@Arturo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arturo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/4 "2017-06-09T20:12:22Z")
no clue. but i’d like to see poison stacking. up to 10 poison counters. with the 50% to proc taking 1 life for each counter. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/5 "2017-06-09T20:19:41Z")
That would be a _huge_ buff to poison. Essentially, pairing a Webspinner and Queen Mab would stop your opponent from ever casting. ---
**Author:** ![Arturo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@Arturo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arturo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/6 "2017-06-09T20:22:59Z")
Yeah, with over 300 troops, its hard to see all the possible interactions. Sometimes, someone makes a suggestion without seeing how it totally breaks the game. ---
**Author:** ![Gilgamesh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gilgamesh/32/29022_2.png) [@Gilgamesh](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gilgamesh)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/7 "2017-06-09T20:30:15Z")
I’d be happy if it did random1-3 or 1-5 damage a turn. Makes a lot of cards more viable late game but essentially empowered early on. ---
**Author:** ![mraider94](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mraider94/32/21939_2.png) [@mraider94](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mraider94)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/8 "2017-06-09T21:13:26Z")
My two cents are just to have the current poison stack. But then also have it self cleanse at a slow rate. ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/9 "2017-06-09T22:18:40Z")
I’ve always though poison damage should scale based on Magic. NOT in a 1:1 ratio, but perhaps 2:1, keeping the same 50/50 Mechanic that makes it unique. All the Poison troops Magic stat would need to be reviewed obviously. This allows it to scale properly, its identical for early game and increases late game but doesn’t get crazy good. ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/10 "2017-06-09T23:21:40Z")
It’s a nice idea and I would like to see status effects get buffed, but I think thematically lose 1 mana per turn fits better on disease. I liked the idea that someone else proposed of poison doing 10% of a targets health. ---
**Author:** ![Venar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/venar/32/36634_2.png) [@Venar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Venar)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/11 "2017-06-10T00:03:53Z")
Yes, it would fit disease. But for disease, i’d just start by making it stick like poison (permanent unless cleansed). I think just that would make it super powerful and thus viable for meta. ---
**Author:** ![Trajic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/trajic/32/20447_2.png) [@Trajic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Trajic)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 1:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/12 "2017-06-10T01:04:22Z")
@Venar that actually sounds super crazy, but on the other hand, just as crazy to be perfectly logically viable. As of now, the only troops with Disease worth mentioning are Venbarak and Plague… And Plague is somewhat weak as of being a mythic and Venbarak hasn’t been mentioned, ever. No one’s going to choose it compared to Mab or Psion. So a completely viable buff. Back to poison, though. I believe the best ideas that fit thematically are poison stacking. Since fire damage deals 3 every turn but cleanses… Poison that could be stacked with Webspinner 8 times per single turn, looping, is not fun. That is out of question. @Tacet 's idea of reapplication just dealing 1 bonus true damage… Feels underpowered in return and only worth mentioning for Webspinner. What if the poison lowered healing received by … 25%? 50%? That would definitely give poison a unique role. It’s a pretty common context from lots of games. ---
**Author:** ![Zelfore](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zelfore/32/22295_2.png) [@Zelfore](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zelfore)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/13 "2017-06-10T01:07:50Z")
One issue with the whole “-1 Mana per turn” thing. Say I’ve got my Mercy ready to be cast on my next turn, she’s suddenly stricken with an ailment. My turn: Mercy loses 1 mana and can no longer cast without a blue/green 4-match on the board. This goes on for 4 turns when the ailment cleanses itself, and then a spell statuses her again. That doesn’t sound like fun to me… ---
**Author:** ![Gilgamesh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gilgamesh/32/29022_2.png) [@Gilgamesh](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gilgamesh)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 1:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/14 "2017-06-10T01:28:16Z")
I’m actually quite fond of venbarak. ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/15 "2017-06-10T01:40:45Z")
I’m still waiting for him to become a daemon type too. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Arturo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@Arturo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arturo)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/16 "2017-06-10T01:52:22Z")
50% chance at 1 damage when troops had 10 health was ok, but up to 10 damage when they have 60+ health is OP? Maybe, but the cap of 10 i threw out there could be lower if 10 is too much. And as for the looping webspinner, the opponent has to get a turn before the poison can even tick. poison lowering healing would be a waste of the devs time mostly because no one is using healers. Debuffing something people don’t use is kind of pointless. I am liking this idea of drain on disease though. If you are worried about not being able to cast without a 4+ match, Enchant is already in game and a viable counterplay. -1 from the disease, +2 for the enchant. so if you built to counter, you could still cast. ---
**Author:** ![Trajic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/trajic/32/20447_2.png) [@Trajic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Trajic)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 2:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/17 "2017-06-10T02:11:27Z")
The thing is - you do not get to play competitive at level 5 where troops have 10 HP. … You cannot really compare the two, since they are very different. And yes, those numbers at level 1 are kind of powerful. But nobody cares because you are no longer able to get back to them after 5 days of game-play. If the poison is able to stack - that would be fine, I’d say. But I’d definitely suggest a cumulative 10% chance to cleanse as all other debuffs, that way. If you build the whole team around stacking up poisons turn by turn, refreshing it - you could be rewarded by 10 true damage ticks - which is fine - you built around it. However, if this status effect NEVER ENDS - that is just way too unfriendly. Also, Draakulis says hi, to “never used” heal mechanics. And -1mana is concerned - enchant is extremely limited to 4 troops. Krystenax (self), Enchantress - random, Pony and Bard - both weak and slow. -1 mana per turn is a toxic design, be it for poison or disease. As already mentioned, it prevents you from cleansing - which is supposed to be it’s counter. [offtopic] If you want to buff disease, give it 50% chance to lower magic by 1 each turn. ---
**Author:** ![Hoop](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hoop/32/34118_2.png) [@Hoop](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Hoop)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/18 "2017-06-10T02:15:53Z")
Could make certain types of troops be affected by it more. Say humans take 3 or 4 damage, some take 1 or 2, and naga, or spiders could gain life when poisoned. Same with burning. Undead should take more damage when on fire. And dragons maybe take less, and some that use fire get bonus life? Just something to make it different ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 2:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/19 "2017-06-10T02:23:59Z")
Old threads where we discussed it before. Maybe a source for some inspiration and new ideas: > [@Suggestions to scale Poison/Burn](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/suggestions-to-scale-poison-burn/16012): > > Have Burn scale to Attack and Poison scale to Magic. Poison can scale 2:1 to Magic, and Burn can scale to the 3:1 to Attack? Anyways, I think that would make Burn and Poison part of the meta again, due to the absurd amounts of health and armor seen in-game. Thoughts? > [@Please look at Poison again](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-look-at-poison-again/17533): > > Poison is one of the oldest, if not the first status effect in this game, but now it is on the verge of being obsolete. I think at one point it used to fire 100% per turn (not sure about this, was b4 my time), but that was nerfed because at the time the prevalent Max Life was lower than 20. I think in light of the massive Life buff since then, it is time to return Poison to its original state, or better. When most of the creatures at max level and max buff can easily break 40 health, a 50% tri… ---
**Author:** ![thebuck2613](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@thebuck2613](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/thebuck2613)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2017, 2:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340/20 "2017-06-10T02:30:12Z")
> [@Tacet](#): > > My idea for it has always been to do 1 true damage every time a troop that is poisoned gets repoisoned. unlike the first persons suggestion to lose 1 mana per turn i like this suggestion. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/an-idea-for-poison/25340.md?page=2)