# Alright Devs... Enough is Enough... (Soul Forge...) :( **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [November 13, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026 "2017-11-13T14:36:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![vanyel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vanyel/32/32071_2.png) [@vanyel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/vanyel)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/82 "2017-11-14T15:45:04Z")
> [@KrudlerTheHorse](#): > > For me it is all about playing. And unraveling the incredibly deep puzzle that is stashed under everything, invisible in plain sight. You do fit the motivation I outlined then. It may not be about collecting every troop for you but the carrot is still there beckoning you to discover something new. I dare say the game will fall flat for you once there’s no longer anything new to discover or figure out. Sounds like you still want all the troops but not for the sake of having them. Rather to discover new troop interactions and experience their play value (or lack of). Perhaps for different reasons, you still fit the bill. You’ve just been graced with the rare gift of patience 😉 ---
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/83 "2017-11-14T15:53:12Z")
> [@vanyel](#): > > You do fit the motivation I outlined then. It may not be about collecting every troop for you but the carrot is still there beckoning you to discover something new. I dare say the game will fall flat for you once there’s no longer anything new to discover or figure out. You’re not listening and are trying to shoehorn your perspective in here. I get what you’re saying. But you need to stop projecting your wants to everybody else. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/84 "2017-11-14T16:14:44Z")
I think you nailed it perfectly @vanyel! ---
**Author:** ![vanyel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vanyel/32/32071_2.png) [@vanyel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/vanyel)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/85 "2017-11-14T16:19:27Z")
> [@KrudlerTheHorse](#): > > I get what you’re saying. But you need to stop projecting your wants to everybody else. Woah! Obviously you don’t. Mind telling me what wants I’m projecting? Because i don’t know myself at this point. I’m not pushing an agenda here. I’ve simply stated some generalizations of observed behavior and given an opinion when OP asked for one. What the hell did I say to deserve the venomous response? ---
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/87 "2017-11-14T16:28:00Z")
> [@vanyel](#): > > Woah! Venom? We have different opinions and you won’t accept it. That’s all that is happening here. You said that everybody want the same thing. I told you my personal perspective which shows you’re wrong on that point. You come back at me telling me that I’m still wrong. Don’t throw antagonistic replies at me, don’t try to bait me into some conflict, and stop trying to insist that we all share your opinions. We don’t. And if somebody doesn’t think the way you do, try to accept it. And in case you think there’s venom here, well I can’t stop you from thinking that. But the crux is that you won’t stop driving your point, to the degree that you are disrespecting personal opinions and ignoring what is being said. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/88 "2017-11-14T16:32:20Z")
Please can we keep this thread civil? I domt want this thread to be locked. Thank you ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/89 "2017-11-14T16:34:01Z")
Who learned you to talk this way? @Jainus? I see no moderator mark on your shoulder brudda. 😛 Joking ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/90 "2017-11-14T16:36:13Z")
Lol im not trying to be a mod i just want to avoid lockdown… ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/91 "2017-11-14T16:37:15Z")
yeah, I know, I was just joking with you, to eas the atmosphere in this wonderful thread we hopefully wont see locked. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/92 "2017-11-14T16:37:34Z")
I agree with Vangor. Let’s stay on topic. ---
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/93 "2017-11-14T16:38:51Z")
When did this go off topic Lyya? Your heavy moderator hand needs to go on a diet. I’ve already had to speak to @saltypatra about you throwing your weight around and pouring fuel on fire. You don’t need to jump on everything. @Ozball ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/94 "2017-11-14T16:39:45Z")
As the OP, I feel the need to moderate a bit. @vanyel You are 100%, I asked for opinions and want conversation. And I tend to believe that the collection is very important for a lot of players. @KrudlerTheHorse You are 100% justified in expressing that for you, the collection mechanic is not what keeps you coming back. Where I think we got our wires crossed, was that I don’t believe that Krud attacked you at all vanyel, he just expressed his own experiences. In like manner though, Krud, vanyel’s counter to yours I think was a bit more accurate than you gave him credit for, in the end a puzzle/team builder like you DOES desire all the troops you are merely content to get them when you get them so it does not motivate you the way it does “collectors”. As a neutral third party, I did not read any of the exchanges with venom. Just wanted to offer that outside perspective. 😇 And for the record, I am actually somewhere directly between both of you. 😂 I am a hard core collector that loves this game MORE for its Team Building possibilities than its collection requirements. Ok… I’m done. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/95 "2017-11-14T16:42:22Z")
Good post as always my good friend. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/96 "2017-11-14T16:43:18Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > Good post as always my good friend. Thank you 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/97 "2017-11-14T16:44:15Z")
It was directed to @efh313, not you this time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/98 "2017-11-14T16:45:13Z")
I know… see the the little winky face ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/99 "2017-11-14T16:45:41Z")
Ah, you were joking. My mistake. ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/100 "2017-11-14T16:46:11Z")
There’s the compliment stealing Horse I know and love! 😜 ---
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/101 "2017-11-14T16:49:22Z")
> [@efh313](#): > > There’s the compliment stealing Horse I know and love! 😜 At least I won’t steal Mana in my defense Teams. I do this kindness for the GoW world. Now I’m leaving this thread. Lyaa, once again, stepped in where not needed and wrecked the mood for me. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026/102 "2017-11-14T16:51:02Z")
Back on topic… I asked salty on her stream last night about this and i saw she commented here as well but she gave a bit more in depth answer on the stream. I am not gonna transcribe it but check it out. Her response makes me hopeful for sure. Edit: fixed some spelling errors and typos lol damn i cant type [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026.md?page=4) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/alright-devs-enough-is-enough-soul-forge/33026.md?page=6)