# AI getting too many drops on console, still? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PlayStation 4/Xbox One)\ **Created:** [June 6, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211 "2017-06-06T21:16:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Trajic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/trajic/32/20447_2.png) [@Trajic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Trajic)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 11:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/62 "2017-06-07T11:46:13Z")
In stating that the AI cheats. You have to realize that this statement is biased. Saying you had a game like X - doesn’t help. We all have. Just like we had lucky games. That doesn’t prove anything. Statistically - it has to happen sooner or later. However, people always tend to take negative luck to heart instead of the good one. Unless you provide data that that this is not the case and out of 1000 games AI really had more luck than you (assuming you didn’t just miss your chance and give it to the AI), we can assume lots of players just feel the phenomenon of bias. Also, there was something mentioned about the player never surging. Check the Jinx trait available at Banshee, Famine, … You might just be interested how it suddenly makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 11:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/64 "2017-06-07T11:47:48Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > I’m waiting on those actual stats. Do you have a link to them someplace? They’re collectively in the heads of console players, can’t you see them Em? ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/65 "2017-06-07T12:00:06Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > The team is going to be looking at cascades again and doing some further internal testing as we move PC over to Unity. Just for those that missed it. We will be looking into cascades and gem drops as we go. @Maxx the further Famine nerf is in the works. It should be out before or at the same time as we move to Unity. ---
**Author:** ![Nephilim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nephilim/32/29092_2.png) [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/66 "2017-06-07T12:19:35Z")
I suppose you’re looking into cascades despite it ‘all being in our heads’. That’s good news, thanks salty. In the UK krud means crap, seems a pretty appropriate name seeing as you talk a lot of krud. ---
**Author:** ![Salibu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/salibu/32/23083_2.png) [@Salibu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Salibu)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/67 "2017-06-07T12:32:53Z")
Used same team on all 3 pc accounts of gws yesterday in gw and 1 on my PS4 account… Jarl Hellcat Tds Gwayne Pc = 15-0 Ps4 = 2 - 3 And 2 of the losses were honestly hilarious. The cascading on them was out of control. 2nd turn ai had max mana everyyone. 1 of the losses was legit as my opponent was Triple famine and it got out of hand. The ai was getting insane drops. Every jarl cast in the losses not 1 match. ---
**Author:** ![Darkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkness/32/2712_2.png) [@Darkness](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkness)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/68 "2017-06-07T12:36:10Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > the further Famine nerf is in the works. It should be out before or at the same time as we move to Unity. Why? Famine is not OP at the moment. It is the stacking of multiple Famine’s that is broken. 2x Famine means 2x Jinx trait, and that’s what’s currently the issue. People are having difficulty filling up their mana to cast spells against Famine because the 2x Jinx prevents most human player mana surges. So the logical conclusion would be just to either not make the Jinx trait stack anymore, or remove the Jinx trait from Famine. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/69 "2017-06-07T12:39:15Z")
Without Jinx Famine is not really a threat. This is ridiculous and plain out shocking news from the Devs. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/70 "2017-06-07T12:42:54Z")
We’ve mentioned this several times before. The nerf is more likely to be indirect at the end of the day so Famine doesn’t suffer unnecessarily. We all quite like Famine, so we still want him to be a viable threat. ---
**Author:** ![Darkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkness/32/2712_2.png) [@Darkness](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkness)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/71 "2017-06-07T12:45:01Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > We’ve mentioned this several times before. The nerf is more likely to be indirect at the end of the day so Famine doesn’t suffer unnecessarily. Good. Mythic troops should be good troops. So definately let’s not unneccesarily nerf them into oblivion. ---
**Author:** ![beanie42](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/beanie42/32/19802_2.png) [@beanie42](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/beanie42)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/72 "2017-06-07T12:45:06Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > The team is going to be looking at cascades again and doing some further internal testing as we move PC over to Unity. I think it’s very generous of you to re-run the same tests again to help alleviate some of the console players concerns. I have one request for those tests, if it’s possible to pass it along to the devs, and that’s for a histogram of the cascades difference. As some have mentioned, there seem to be a number of issues confused, specifically the AI decisions, the streaky cascades, and AI favouritism. While the overall averages provided from the previous tests showed parity over time, it didn’t highlight some of the more extreme situations which occurred and show that it occurred for both sides. Instead of simply “Average Player Cascades” and “Average AI Cascades”, a histogram which shows the difference in cascades would make this more visible. Show how often the player got X cascades more than the AI and vice-versa, something that visually confirms some of the players feelings that the AI gets significantly more cascades sometimes, but also demonstrates the same thing happening on the other side (balance/fairness). And once that helps quell the cheating/favouritism claims, it may also provide a better opportunity for conversation about how much they should occur for the sake of “fun” rather than parity (since as some have mentioned, just because it’s legit or fair doesn’t mean it will be fun to play). Alternatively, and maybe even a better idea if they’ll do it, is to release the test data with the summary. That would allow some of us in the community to do a deep dive and prepare some of that information ourselves, which would free up developer resources 😉 . Didn’t think of that until after I typed out the earlier/histogram idea, but I know some of us would love to help out with or do our own analysis 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/73 "2017-06-07T12:45:07Z")
Maybe I misunderstand, are you meaning that the immune for manaburn trait will now also have immunity for mana drain as well? I never heard that any new nerf was in the plans for Famine that just had a nerf, before today. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/74 "2017-06-07T12:48:16Z")
A few different things have been discussed. When they are confirmed we will let everyone know. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/75 "2017-06-07T12:49:04Z")
Thanks for the replies.🙂 But please do not nerf Famine. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/76 "2017-06-07T12:49:07Z")
aww, i really hoped for a ‘mana drain immunity’ trait, please it doesnt have to be mana shield… ---
**Author:** ![Salibu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/salibu/32/23083_2.png) [@Salibu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Salibu)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 1:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/77 "2017-06-07T13:48:05Z")
I would rather they not adjust the Console AI before we get it on our PCs As a 3 account holder on PC and 1 PS4…im quite excited to see the rage from PC crowd when the AI gets here. lol ---
**Author:** ![Nephilim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nephilim/32/29092_2.png) [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 2:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/78 "2017-06-07T14:10:08Z")
Salubu does not talk krud Famine? Maybe they’ll increase his mana cost a bit more, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 2:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/79 "2017-06-07T14:23:28Z")
Why is this thread about Famine now? Can we please keep this focused? ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/80 "2017-06-07T14:26:15Z")
@Salibu your GW results are in line with what I’ve observed, but not quite as pronounced of difference for top Bracket players. The Unity AI decision making absolutely does make a difference, I documented the differences the best I could with actual results from the top cluster of Bracket 1. (PC vs Console) PS to other players: I personally don’t believe the AI cheats on its gem drops. > [@AI on Unity (Lack of Skull Baiting in GW)](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-on-unity-lack-of-skull-baiting-in-gw/24571): > > Well this first week of Guild Wars is over and we now have some numbers for AI comparison. I play on both platforms but primary on console. I’ve ALWAYS been a big proponent of the AI on console for the fun factor, I find the PC AI to rote like. I have posted numerous times about this in the past. The major difference on Unity is that you can not reliably Skull bait the AI. Effectively giving yourself a free turn as the AI pokes you with a Skull. Now that the First Guild Wars on console i… ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/81 "2017-06-07T14:28:37Z")
Awesome news thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211/82 "2017-06-07T14:30:50Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > Why is this thread about Famine now? Can we please keep this focused? There is already a Famine thread. This one is about console AI. > [@Famine badly needs a nerf](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/famine-badly-needs-a-nerf/24338): > > Famines mana cost is too low and paired with jinx it is really hard to get anything up before he casts again. I was using Valkyrie/Draakulis in GW today and Famine managed to cast 3 times before I could fill Valkyrie the third cast killed her. Famine alone killed my Valkyrie, Draakulis, Void Portal and 4 summons. This is really killing the fun of Guild Wars to the point where I don’t even want to play it anymore. Famines third trait is a bit too strong as well [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/ai-getting-too-many-drops-on-console-still/25211.md?page=5)