# After two weeks of GW, what is the weakest color to date? (Poll) **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Created:** [May 7, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695 "2017-05-07T17:44:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kynetarse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kynetarse/32/24815_2.png) [@kynetarse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kynetarse)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 3:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/42 "2017-05-09T15:10:57Z")
Surprised to see red. I’ve found a really killer red team that I’ve started using in regular PVP and may be my favorite team ever 😃. Granted it has no summoner but it frequently loops forever ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/43 "2017-05-09T15:12:48Z")
If it contains a base mythic, that would likely explain it. There are a ton of good teams out there using Famine and Death, for example, but I have neither. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/44 "2017-05-09T17:22:34Z")
Ive struggled most with yellow although ive only lost one fight but red green and blue have been cake walks for me ---
**Author:** ![Vanessa202](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vanessa202/32/18636_2.png) [@Vanessa202](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vanessa202)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 5:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/45 "2017-05-09T17:34:33Z")
I put Brown as really struggled to get a team that blended well together. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/46 "2017-05-09T17:37:08Z")
I started a thread where i shared my mono-color teams. Maybe some ppl could use ideas or add their own ideas… > [@Mono Color Team Help](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/mono-color-team-help/23551): > > Hi everyone! Since the coming of GW I have spent about 90% of my time building and testing mono color teams. Now, team building has never been my strength but i have done pretty good but any suggestions for improvements would be welcome! ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/47 "2017-05-09T18:22:48Z")
Brown has… Behemoth, Bone Dragon, Khorvash, Gorgotha, Jarl, Kerberos, Keeper, Sheggra, Sylvanimora, Maw Famine, Gard, Pharos, Stonehammer And those are just the _good_ high-level troops. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/48 "2017-05-09T18:25:16Z")
And all these troops bow down to and worship the mighty Cockatrice… ---
**Author:** ![polyester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/polyester/32/59766_2.png) [@polyester](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/polyester)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/49 "2017-05-09T18:26:25Z")
Cockatrice + Sylvanimora is a deadly combo on brown days. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/50 "2017-05-09T18:52:16Z")
Random thought, triggered by the above… Really annoying that Khorvash’s spell stuns the enemy _after_ resolving its damage - so killing a Deathknight with it _does_ trigger Death Curse, when in my view it really shouldn’t: the stun should hit _at the same time_ as the damage and negate the on-death traits… Unsure if this is intended or accidental or a bug, but life would be far nicer all round if it was corrected… @Nimhain? ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/51 "2017-05-09T18:55:29Z")
Because of all the troops, Korvash is the one needing a change making him even stronger?^^ I get what you are saying, but if anything Khorvash still has to climb down a few rungs on the powerladder, not up. How about starting with troops like Wandering Monk with that change to the spell sequence? ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/52 "2017-05-09T18:57:43Z")
> [@Gouki](#): > > Khorvash still has to climb down a few rungs on the powerladder, not up I can agree with that… but to me this is a bug correction, not an intentional buff… Dracos LEET and troops with Knockout trait should get the same change (pretty sure they also suffer from this lag problem and Death Curse can trigger). I agree that Khorvash could probably get a mild nerf again: still does way too much damage and full mana drain… but that’s going really off-topic… > [@Gouki](#): > > How about starting with troops like Wandering Monk with that change to the spell sequence? Sorry it’s been a long day, but I really don’t get what you mean: please explain more and make idiot-proof? ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/53 "2017-05-09T18:58:05Z")
All damage + stun or kill + stun resolves the kill before the stun, and the stun doesn’t take effect. Its a global thing that needs to be fixed. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/54 "2017-05-09T18:58:47Z")
Dracos actually does stun before the instant kill, it follows the order in the spell text strictly. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/55 "2017-05-09T19:05:41Z")
> [@Jainus](#): > > Sorry it’s been a long day, but I really don’t get what you mean: please explain more and make idiot-proof? Don’t expect an idiot to make things idiot proof. 😛 Anyways the order in which stun and damage on a spell occurs is represented exactely in the spell text, so i don’t think it is an error or bug but an actual design decision. Dracos already does it in the sequence to stun before his instant kill, so i guess if the Devs wanted a troop to stun before kill they could sequence it this way and if they haven’t done so my guess is they didn’t want to. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/56 "2017-05-09T19:07:32Z")
> [@Gouki](#): > > starting with troops like Wandering Monk with that change to the spell sequence Ah now I get you. And no, that needs to work that way, like ScaleGuards etc. ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/57 "2017-05-09T19:10:40Z")
The issues isn’t the order of effects per se, but the fact that “death” is not a special sequence that occurs after _all_ effects. For most status effects, this doesn’t matter because they would need to be cleaned up anyways, but for the purposes of stun, even if the damage comes first, it _should_ be stun+damage (in whatever order) THEN death/cleanup. The position of the death/cleanup in the sequence is causing a lot of other issues as well. On Death effects still don’t work properly in a lot of different situations, causing resurrected troops to gain statuses, ghost troops when things get summoned over a dying troop, etc. Wandering Monk’s spell is never going to have the stun precede the damage, because it has a double damage condition “if they are stunned”, which would be _every time_ if the stun triggered first, unless they are thick head/impervious. While I don’t think this would be overpowered in any way (by all accounts, WM would still be a _bad_ troop), but I don’t think this would be the intended way this spell works. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/58 "2017-05-09T19:19:50Z")
Well all this seems to go into the whole “make DK more useless” campaign i guess, so with Deathmark already getting its teeth pulled in the next patch i don’t feel like fighting that fight anymore. So what ever floats your boat. I kinda enjoyed the fact i had to stun DKs before the deathblows, unless i used Dracos, but sure let DKs trait get disabled just if any of the troops involved in the battle have the word stun on them somewhere in their spells or traits. I don’t think we will be seeing a lot of them anymore anyways once the patch hits, so i do’t think it will matter either way. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 10:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/59 "2017-05-09T22:29:06Z")
You still have to stun DK before killing him. DM can still kill you on the 2nd turn and if you don’t have any cleansers, it will function EXACTLY like it did before. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/60 "2017-05-09T22:46:23Z")
Well my understanding was that the whole point of the 1 turn grace period change was for people to be able to use cleansers to counter it. If people won’t use them, not a lot can be done to help them. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695/61 "2017-05-09T22:47:45Z")
Not every color has cleansers. There’s also the fact that you have to have a cleanser already charged or you won’t be able to cleanse anyway. So DK is still going to be very effective in GW. He’s just not going to be more effective than nearly every other troop in the game outside Famine. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/after-two-weeks-of-gw-what-is-the-weakest-color-to-date-poll/23695.md?page=4)