# A simple solution to fix the PVP leaderboards **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [April 18, 2017, 6:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-simple-solution-to-fix-the-pvp-leaderboards/22769 "2017-04-18T06:16:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 7:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-simple-solution-to-fix-the-pvp-leaderboards/22769/21 "2017-04-18T07:32:42Z")
Unfortunately, there is no simple solution for a fair system that somehow measures a players “skill”. The format of this game simply isn’t set up for this level of competition. If made only about the “quality” of games (ie, win loss ratio versus “tough” opponents), then you would just use the appropriate counter/looping team and the only losses you would suffer would be infuriating RNG streaks or equally infuriating random disconnects, battle has already been completed errors, or straight up having your win streak reset errors. People are frustrated their efforts are not being recognized, so add some additional leaderboards for different things other than grinding points. Make the rewards minimal and crappy, just like the current leaderboard, or just nonexistent. Anyone who really cares just wants to be recognized for effort, the reward for effort ratio for ranked PvP was decidedly in the “not worth” category when PvP 2.0 just launched, let alone now. ---
**Author:** ![Mad\_Butch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mad_butch/32/22903_2.png) [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 7:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-simple-solution-to-fix-the-pvp-leaderboards/22769/22 "2017-04-18T07:36:48Z")
Btw, the other options is to drop the hard coded numbers (top 1000/500), and switch to top x%. For example, ranked rewards: 1 = top 1% 2-3 = top 2% 4-6 = top 3% 7-10 = top 4% 11-20 = top 5% 21-50 = top 10% 51-100 = top 15% 101-200 = top 20% 201-500 = top 25% 501-1000 = top 30/40 or even 50% ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 8:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-simple-solution-to-fix-the-pvp-leaderboards/22769/23 "2017-04-18T08:26:55Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#): > > Yeah curently 1000 is the mas i think? > > I see nothing wrong to reward only top 50 or 100 in each division that solves nothing: you would reward less ppl meaning - you would increase the competition among them = requirement to get the same reward actually increased, no good ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 8:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-simple-solution-to-fix-the-pvp-leaderboards/22769/24 "2017-04-18T08:28:26Z")
> [@Mad\_Butch](#): > > For example, ranked rewards: > 1 = top 1% > 2-3 = top 2% > 4-6 = top 3% > 7-10 = top 4% > 11-20 = top 5% > 21-50 = top 10% > 51-100 = top 15% > 101-200 = top 20% > 201-500 = top 25% > 501-1000 = top 30/40 or even 50% ive been asking for that for a long time - to scale ranking rewards with population growth, but nobody ever addresses that plus devs say they have limited amount of rewards (in those few times that they touched the subject) ---
**Author:** ![Mad\_Butch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mad_butch/32/22903_2.png) [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 8:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-simple-solution-to-fix-the-pvp-leaderboards/22769/25 "2017-04-18T08:33:29Z")
that’s to bad… I’d rather have them extend the pvp tier rewards, as that is for everyone, then waste resources on the elite few… Elite few being a tiny number of their player base 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 8:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-simple-solution-to-fix-the-pvp-leaderboards/22769/26 "2017-04-18T08:36:58Z")
i do want to reward the elites but i also want to give some rewards to bigger % of population, even if the rewards are thin but still i believe more ppl should enjoy the competition and feel appreciated/rewarded for it the current amount of ppl rewarded in comparison the the size of player base (thats still growing) is a joke luckily the ranking rewards are relatively tiny so they dont couse too high frustration (at least to me) ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 8:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-simple-solution-to-fix-the-pvp-leaderboards/22769/27 "2017-04-18T08:52:50Z")
simple alternative that would help > [@PvP rankings are a joke](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/135): > > could you place a simple limiter for pvp points gained ? > > like pvp points can be given only once per 2 minutes (battle completed faster then in 2 minutes from last battle loot will grant no points) > > ppl farming gold would not be affected, super fast bots would > > would also introduce an improvement in skill requirement ---
**Author:** ![Thegreyorc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Thegreyorc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Thegreyorc)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-simple-solution-to-fix-the-pvp-leaderboards/22769/28 "2017-04-18T13:19:47Z")
I would like to see some sort of elo-type like in Destiny or chess. I don’t know if that is feasible programming-wise because it would change with every battle played. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-simple-solution-to-fix-the-pvp-leaderboards/22769/29 "2017-04-18T14:05:10Z")
Kind of similar to what I said in the other thread… 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-simple-solution-to-fix-the-pvp-leaderboards/22769/30 "2017-04-18T15:21:29Z")
Sorry Off topic. @Ozball I instantly knew this was a PC screen shot at a glance without your description. As the sides were not chopped off for no reason like they do on console. Personally annoys me (like watching a letterbox movie in full frame with pan and scan) On Topic. I agree with the posters that state the rewards/rank has to factor in difficulty of the troops and any bonuses! It can not be simply based on if the team just so happens to be in the right slot you get more (Trophy based). Elos won’t work very well as players have 2 separate teams Inv & Def and your not controlling Def Team. Lastly I’m all for making the rewards go deeper down the leaderboard. ---
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-simple-solution-to-fix-the-pvp-leaderboards/22769/31 "2017-04-18T22:56:54Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#): > > 1- novice 50-100 pvp fight > 2-advanced 101-300 pvp fights > 3- pros 301-500 pvp fights > 4-hardcore 501+ fights I agree to a point I am just starting to be able to regularly take on level 3 teams -I have been doing 60% level 2, 25% level 1 and 15% level three Last week it was 50% level 2 30% level 3 and 20% level 2 - Bombots were easy. I ended up with about 212 PVP wins last week. And I had a 0 loss for Offense, but a crappy ratio for my defense team. I don’t feel I am novice, I may just be moving into advance. Personally we need to separate the defense from PVP. It means nothing. And then break it into levels/and number of games [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-simple-solution-to-fix-the-pvp-leaderboards/22769.md?page=1)