# A New Mythic Approaches - Pharos-Ra **URL:** \ **Category:** Official News\ **Created:** [January 6, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818 "2017-01-06T07:00:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/61 "2017-01-07T19:10:38Z")
Are you referring to this? > [@Maugrim Woods Rework... Rework... Rework (!)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maugrim-woods-rework-rework-rework/15679/1): > > We’re going to look at adding “UNIQUE TRAITS” in a future update, to work around these issues of doubling/tripling/quadrupling up on troops to stack trait bonuses. A “Unique Trait” would fire only once per event, even if you had it on multiple troops. That way we can introduce new traits that add cool features which are not as easily exploitable. Kerberos’ trait is fun if it remains at 25%, but in order to make it viable we have to reduce it down to 5-10% range which is ONLY good with 3-4 Kerberos… ie you get an all-or-nothing choice, which isn’t great. We’re sad that we didn’t limit troops in a team to x1 on initial release - it was certainly something I fought for - but for various reasons, it was decided to allow multiples. Note to self: argue harder next time! ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/62 "2017-01-07T19:11:29Z")
Actually what was said is they wish they would’ve made the entire game that way, but it’s too late now. So Sirrian said they’d like to make a new game mode where only 1 of a troop would be allowed. The change wouldn’t effect how the game is now. So yeah it stacks, and will continue to stack. * * * Here’s what I mean. This was in response to someone asking if they can place the 1 troop/trait restriction now in the current game. > [@Maugrim Woods Rework... Rework... Rework (!)](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maugrim-woods-rework-rework-rework/15679/14): > > We could. I imagine we might have a riot on our hands though! If/when we introduce real-time PvP, we’ll certainly place that restriction on it, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Amadan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amadan/32/7653_2.png) [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/63 "2017-01-07T19:11:33Z")
Unique traits on _future_ units would be fine, since it gives the designers some liberty to make reeeeeally nice Traits. Making existing traits _retroactively_ unique would be…less fine. ;p ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/64 "2017-01-07T21:22:52Z")
thank you guys that gives me hope 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Amadan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amadan/32/7653_2.png) [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 2:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/65 "2017-01-08T02:18:06Z")
Now that I’ve had some more time to play with him, I have to admit that he’s better than I originally felt. Part of the problem was that I didn’t realize his actual effective role - he’s a _generalist_, not a _specialist_. - He’s not as fast or safe for PVP as my regular Gard team, but he can still do a good job of it…and he brings in some nice Souls while he’s at it. - He’s not as fast as a Rowanne team for speed-churning through Explores for stones, but he can still do a good job of it…and he brings in some nice Souls while he’s at it. - I haven’t figured out exact numbers but I certainly **feel** like he doesn’t bring in as many Souls/hr as a dedicated Soul Farm team, but he can still do a good job of it…and he still brings in some nice Souls, even if it is somewhat less per hour. - …and he can do all of the above with the same team. A guildmate came up with Gorgotha, Giant Spider, TDS, Pharos (I haven’t settled on a banner but Abyssal is working decently), and I can go back and forth between PVP or Explore without changing anything and with consistent success, and getting Souls all the way. His Bond trait still makes me grind my teeth (but it’s a first trait, so I’ll get over it), and the fixed orb convert still potentially bites you in the butt if you use it at the wrong time (but having to pay attention isn’t a bad thing, so I’ll get over it), and so far I’ve only found that one specific team he works in, but…I’ll get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/66 "2017-01-08T02:33:25Z")
He should fit in most soul teams where you would normally use a Warlock. Just think of him as three Warlocks mashed together into one team slot with the functionality of Shadow Dragon (eg., put him anywhere with Valk, but only behind The Dragon Soul), then fill out the rest of the team as necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 12:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/67 "2017-01-08T12:09:53Z")
precisely my main use for him is the necromancer trait slot whereas the main soul generator is a different unit. basically take your perfect soul farming team and replace the least useful necromancer with pharus-rah , you shouldnt be disappointed then. atm my explore team: behemoth the dragon soul pharus-rah \*\*\* aziris \*\*\* +abysmal banner (slightly slower if when i used 2x aziris but grants a lot more souls so its a big progress) i wish i got a second one but still hesitating weather to spend the rest of resources and greatly lower my chances on getting mythic next week… ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/68 "2017-01-08T14:54:30Z")
You may be disappointed when you are done farming souls if you went after another that much _just_ so you can soul farm farm. If you collect tributes frequently enough, by the time you are done three starring (let alone seven starring) every single kingdom with half decent guild statues levels (say, level 50, roughly where my guild was at after the guild patch) you get way more souls per week than required to level every new troop, at which point they are useless, especially if we are returning to a single-troop per week format. You _could_ hold out hope they add an outlet for souls in the future that makes them worth farming when you are “done”, but chances are any such outlet would be low return on investment. Chances are you were also pretty lucky getting just one Mythic in the first place - I’m out 200 VIP keys (9k gems), 253 gem keys and over 1000 glory keys this week with no Mythic. Overall, I’ve drawn 6 mythics out of 750 VIP chests, and one more for _every single key I’ve earned since mythics went live combined_ - a number I didn’t record but based on past and present weekly earnings would be in the range of over 15k glory keys and a couple thousand gem keys. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/69 "2017-01-08T14:59:50Z")
all of what you say is totally true, even now i have 87k souls and 3\*ed (or more) everything that gave any glory, so i know long term i wont be needing those souls my desire for second pharus rah is totally unlogical but i just like to achieve a perfect explore team XD silly me, right? 😛 maybe ill hold it in, those gems i got wont just fall from trees when i need em next month… but its the fun that counts… doesnt it? ugh… 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Whiskeyjack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/whiskeyjack/32/65850_2.png) [@Whiskeyjack](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Whiskeyjack)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/70 "2017-01-09T15:04:52Z")
I have to disagree with some of the comments in this thread. Whilst I didn’t much like the look of him, Pharos-Ra is a great troop. I also use him at the bottom of a team with Gorgotha, Giant Spider and The Dragon Soul above. I use kraken banner strangely enough, just to give me the option of starting off by filling either Gorgotha or Giant Spider. Frozen banner would also be a good choice. Pharos is **the** best sniper troop that I’ve used. I would be gutted if they change his spell to stop the yellow\>purple conversion. One thing people may not realise is that casting him once when you have zero souls nets you 50 souls due to his +150% souls trait. So if he’s full and you have the opportunity to use him and get a second turn, you use him once for 19 damage and then a second time for 69 damage (maybe using giant spider in between to top up his mana). If you’ve cast TDS once already then the first hit is already 56 as TDS gives 37 souls! So after two casts you have 100 souls and Pharos is doing 119 damage per cast. Using exploders means that the board is regularly reset to give a higher chance of a second turn from Pharos’s spell. Also, you can often use the spider to create the required board to get an extra turn. NB: these numbers are with deathknight armour, max guild statues and max kingdom magic bonuses. IMO he is well worth the cost of traiting and he does feel like a mythic powered troop. ---
**Author:** ![Zuboki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zuboki/32/28558_2.png) [@Zuboki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zuboki)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/71 "2017-01-09T15:25:40Z")
Try Dark Troll instead of Gorgotha. Sure, he might die (and be replaced by spider swarms usually), but he brings three good things to the table: Random Death Touch kills, extra fast soul gain, and instant fill for DS and Pharos if the board has a lot of purple (especially if GS was just used). ---
**Author:** ![Whiskeyjack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/whiskeyjack/32/65850_2.png) [@Whiskeyjack](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Whiskeyjack)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/72 "2017-01-09T15:29:32Z")
Thanks, I’ve got him traited so I’ll give it a go! ---
**Author:** ![Mekkalyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mekkalyn/32/21868_2.png) [@Mekkalyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mekkalyn)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/73 "2017-01-11T13:29:33Z")
So I did get lucky and find this mythic (for once) I have all of the bad mythics that don’t really help much and none of the ones I actually want (this was my fourth one). I got him within like 50-100 gem keys. Normally I’d spend 6,000+ gems and also all my glory keys (which is where all my other ones have been found surprisingly). And I traited him. And replaced Warlock for him in my Dragon soul farming team. And I really like him! I wish he was more pvp worthy. I can only do the easiest battle with this team. ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/74 "2017-01-11T13:56:18Z")
> [@Mekkalyn](#): > > I wish he was more pvp worthy. He’s PVP viable in the right team. I have no problem taking down 9500+ ranked teams with the following team: **Abyssal Banner** Gorgotha/Dark Troll The Dragon Soul Famine Pharos-Ra\*\*\* His third trait is critical though. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/75 "2017-01-11T14:08:38Z")
Congrats, good pull! 😃 He fits well with Ragnagord also, for a faster start. Ragnagord\*\* Dragon Soul\*\*\* Famine\*\*\* Pharos-Ra\*\*\* Abyssal Banner. One red 3 match mana sourge and Ragnagord is ready to go. Famine open to both yellow and green manas. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dustin1280](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dustin1280/32/7970_2.png) [@Dustin1280](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dustin1280)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/76 "2017-01-11T14:18:51Z")
I suppose I will have to bite the bullet and trait famine, once this comes to consoles. So far I have been doing pvp with Emperor Khorvash\*\*\* Valkyrie\*\*\* Crimson Bat\*\*\* Mercy\*\*\* and after making tier 1, switching to bombot team and only running 1 trophy matches unless revenge pops Deep Borer\*\*\* Bombot\*\*\* Bombot\*\*\* Mechanist /w Black Manacles\*\*\* So while I have the stones to trait both of these guys I am fairly finicky when it comes to actually traiting stuff (I have roughly 80+ arcanes of each type). Guess when Pharos-Ra comes I will have to trait him and famine. ---
**Author:** ![Verdugo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/verdugo/32/9407_2.png) [@Verdugo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Verdugo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/77 "2017-01-11T14:25:40Z")
How come you haven’t traited Famine…? ---
**Author:** ![Aleatoryuk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@Aleatoryuk](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Aleatoryuk)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/78 "2017-01-11T14:27:05Z")
I have also found he was works really well in : Warg Valkyrie Giant Spider Pharos-Ra All fully traited. It gives Warg a nice boost too ---
**Author:** ![Dustin1280](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dustin1280/32/7970_2.png) [@Dustin1280](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dustin1280)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/79 "2017-01-11T14:27:38Z")
Since he isn’t part of my main teams right now, he is un-traited. I planned to trait him if I ever put him into normal use, which so far I haven’t. I have my collection archived now though, so once I have enough of every arcane stone I will go through and trait everything. Currently I only trait up cards if they are to be used on any of my main teams. ---
**Author:** ![Mekkalyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mekkalyn/32/21868_2.png) [@Mekkalyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mekkalyn)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818/80 "2017-01-11T18:35:08Z")
Unfortunately… famine, I have not. When I say I have the useless mythics, I mean it 😛 [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-new-mythic-approaches-pharos-ra/17818.md?page=5)