# 50% chance to summon a bandit
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635
**Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback
**Created:** [November 9, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635 "2018-11-09T16:32:20Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Toxitron](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Toxitron)
#### Post date: [November 9, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/1 "2018-11-09T16:32:20Z")
The 50% chance to summon a bandit is either broken as hell, or way too overpowered.
For the 3rd or 4th time today, I fought a low level pvp fight and ended up fighting a never ending spawn of bandits.
Because of the stealth ability, you can not focus on them., and so you kill 2 bandits and have 2 appear. Kill another 2 bandits, have another 2 appear. Over and over and over and over. IF you are lucky enough to be able to kill 2 at a time.
With no soul generating or necromancy, i just scored 18 souls for my last fight, meaning 14 bandits spawned before i was lucky enough to have this BS end, and this was a quicker end than some of these fights.
It can often be well over 20 to 30 for 1 fight vs the bandit spawning class.
[It never happened that much when i used the class].
This really needs adjusting/fixing/nerfing … something!
It is no fun to be stuck in a pvp fight that just never ends.
I know something like the dragon soul damages everyone … but there is no warning that the person you are fighting is one of these fights … otherwise i would never bother.
Can you please do something about this, its no fun and just horrible to encounter.
[or at least make things like this obvious when looking at pvp foes]
When i see the" death mark all when i die" trait, i avoid those fights [as i have lost a fight because all 4 of my guys died at once, also lost 2-3 in a turn too, so i skip these, but nothing clearly shows the bandit spawning guys, as its not a trait, its a class skill]
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### Author:  [@Fiara](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fiara)
#### Post date: [November 9, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/2 "2018-11-09T16:40:23Z")
You can view the selected class traits on the enemy hero traits screen like below (left hand side of screen).
But i agree that the bandit summon does get out of hand in many occasions.
They should limit the number of summons or reduce the % rate.
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### Author:  [@Toxitron](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Toxitron)
#### Post date: [November 9, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/3 "2018-11-09T16:44:15Z")
Ah, never knew that … still hate it, and really don’t want to have to remember to do that for every pvp fight
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### Author:  [@Lissandra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lissandra)
#### Post date: [November 9, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/4 "2018-11-09T17:36:41Z")
Agreed. Sometimes it never triggers and other times it actives every single time making it very difficult to win. Even at 25% would be annoying (Looking at you Infernal King and Dragon Soul) but it is a lot more manageable than 50%).
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### Author:  [@Toxitron](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Toxitron)
#### Post date: [November 9, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/5 "2018-11-09T18:09:33Z")
Yeah its not just the difficulty to win … its how frustrating and boring it is, and how much it makes me want to quit doing any pvp …having the same troop die and reappear instantly 14 times in a row without a single break or failure to respawn … its just BS … i mean who wants to deal with that or thinks that’s fun.
I don’t mind loosing to a cleaver team that works better than you expected … but win or loose, the bandit thing is no fun. It also makes what should be a short fun bash, into a tedious long drawn out slog. So rather than getting in 4-5 quick bashes while on a break, i am returning to work, still engaged in an annoying slog that makes me want to just quit bothering with pvp … and once you start quitting big chunks of the game … how long till its all just too much hassle to bother?
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### Author:  [@Toxitron](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Toxitron)
#### Post date: [November 9, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/6 "2018-11-09T18:12:30Z")
Honestly i am feeling a bit burnt out with all the crud to do in the game, a whole bunch i just skip [class events for any class i already have] … most i only have fleeting interest in. I think if stuff like this makes me give up on pvp, that not a lot else remains to keep me interested.
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### Author:  [@MarvelKit](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/MarvelKit)
#### Post date: [November 9, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/7 "2018-11-09T18:15:27Z")
There is already a thread about this.
> [@BACKUP talent working too good](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/backup-talent-working-too-good/45302/21):
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> I’m pretty sure all percentages in Gems of War round up to the nearest 90%. Only applies to the AI tho.
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### Author:  [@Toxitron](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Toxitron)
#### Post date: [November 9, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/8 "2018-11-09T18:17:58Z")
Hahahahahahaha " percentages in Gems of War round up to the nearest 90%. Only applies to the AI tho" … brilliant, could not have said it better.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [November 9, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/9 "2018-11-09T20:29:03Z")
Stun the hero. Bandits will drop to 0% then.
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### Author:  [@Lissandra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lissandra)
#### Post date: [November 9, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/10 "2018-11-09T20:47:59Z")
They mentioned the hero having stealthy. Can’t stun the hero directly unless you have a troop that can indirectly or full stun the entire enemy team (We don’t know what they were using) and I bet in the future we will get a class that will give barrier on brown, stealthy, 30% skull dodge, 50% chance to summon a bandit, fortitude, 5 gold per turn (_Cough_ Skeleton Key _Cough_) and submerge on four or five matches to make the ultimate pain to kill.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [November 9, 2018, 9:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/11 "2018-11-09T21:30:23Z")
> [@Lissandra](#):
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> They mentioned the hero having stealthy
EK don’t care about stealth. Or any of the other troops that cause stun without Targetting the troop.
All I’m saying is there’s a counter to it. Yes it’s annoying to have to deal with bandits. But constant nerf cries for things that already have counter balances are more annoying.
It’s not the fault of the OP. This is the place for feedback. He’s giving feedback. But stunning the hero is a great solution to the OP’s issue. With no dev involvement required.
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### Author:  [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)
#### Post date: [November 9, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/12 "2018-11-09T22:24:56Z")
The funny thing is TDS had exactly this problem and they nerfed it to shut people up after they did math and proved the RNG showed bias towards streaks.
Then they re-implemented it in a more powerful fashion.
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### Author:  [@Fiara](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fiara)
#### Post date: [November 14, 2018, 5:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/13 "2018-11-14T05:51:51Z")
Having a hero with stealth and in 3rd position is the worst.
By the way hello there boys 👋👋
By the way as you can see in the screenshot already 3 bandits were added to the corpse pile 😂
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### Author:  [@Lissandra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lissandra)
#### Post date: [November 14, 2018, 7:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/14 "2018-11-14T07:15:15Z")
Ah yes, the infamous Fire Bombs with the sneaky Dawnbringer slid into third slot and having the “50%” triggering every time. Oh the memories of the hell those battles were but here’s the thing, at least they were winnable compared to using 4 Baby Dragon’s due to a stupid weapon.
While I am mixed on Ubastet, he is very amazing at sniping at the hero if one of the bandits is in kill range with the hero. Else… just pray they don’t have a conga line of bandits ready to jump in one after the other.
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### Author:  [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)
#### Post date: [November 14, 2018, 7:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/15 "2018-11-14T07:48:43Z")
> [@Lissandra](#):
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> and I bet in the future we will get a class that will give barrier on brown, stealthy, 30% skull dodge, 50% chance to summon a bandit, fortitude, 5 gold per turn ( _Cough_ Skeleton Key _Cough_ ) and submerge on four or five matches to make the ultimate pain to kill.
Rock Solid = Stone 40
Fortitude = Stone 100
Deluge = Water 40
Stealthy = Shadow 40
Light Fingers = Cunning 10
Bandits = Cunning 20
Dodge = Cunning 70
Your dream hero won’t be existing any time soon and even if it did, its very unlikely to get a 50% mana start from a source.
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### Author:  [@Lissandra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lissandra)
#### Post date: [November 14, 2018, 10:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/16 "2018-11-14T10:22:54Z")
It was a joke. Of course I wouldn’t want that. Figured I would do the absolute worse case scenario.
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### Author:  [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)
#### Post date: [November 14, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/17 "2018-11-14T15:18:24Z")
Basically: that 3rd slot bandit summoner is why I believe I’m finding my teams that focus on a sniper like Pharos-Ra or Ketras are performing more reliably in PvP than teams that focus on AoE damage.
Like, Skeleton Key is great, but it hits first/last troops and can’t punch through a barrier. This defense setup is resilient against Dragon Eye because the odds are against DE hitting the hero. Dawnbringer doesn’t dent this setup very well. The Infernus/Ubastet combo works, mostly because it’s likely to do back-to-back hits and beat the barrier.
So I feel like what happened is something like:
- Divines were too much the meta.
- Divines were nerfed enough to make other teams interesting.
- “Interesting” teams don’t tend to be able to do large amounts of damage in a targeted way.
- This defense became much more effective and annoying once people were taking options other than Divines on offense.
- Now people are mad because nerfing Divines has ultimately made Divines the meta again.
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### Author:  [@Fvffar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fvffar)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/18 "2018-11-25T17:56:40Z")
Toxitron, I’m with you about this. As I pointed out in another thread, I had a fight with 22 respawns per 22 deaths. That’s absolutely a 100% for me.
That’s fair enough, but a 100% rate respawn, together with dragon’s eye, together with orbweaver or thieves class is actually a big fat waste of time (you almost can’t loose against it, but it takes way too long, something that some players can’t afford. So… SKIP!)
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### Author:  [@Sisyphus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sisyphus)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/19 "2018-11-25T19:57:42Z")
I feel as if the chance to spawn a bandit on death should only apply to troops that were originally part of the team. That is, don’t attempt to replace a replacement.
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### Author:  [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)
#### Post date: [November 25, 2018, 9:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/50-chance-to-summon-a-bandit/48635/20 "2018-11-25T21:15:57Z")
We had this problem once before with The Dragon Soul.
A helpful forum member did statistical analysis and proved, via scholarly-accepted methods, that the RNG has a bias towards streaks.
Everyone ignored that member because nobody likes a nerd. The devs changed TDS’s third trait because they claimed “it was always meant to have something else”.
Then everyone forgot the lesson until a Champion Talent came out that was a strictly better TDS third trait. Now we’re having the conversation again, except my favorite stats person hasn’t weighed in yet. I think they learned it’s best not to assume this community is interested in statistics unless they prove the RNG is a perfect angel.