# 4x-match = no mana surge **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [September 10, 2015, 11:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4x-match-no-mana-surge/653 "2015-09-10T11:34:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Melnorme](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/melnorme/32/265_2.png) [@Melnorme](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Melnorme)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2015, 11:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4x-match-no-mana-surge/653/1 "2015-09-10T11:34:27Z")
I’ve been playing GoW for awhile, but noticed it only recently: When I match 5 gems I ALWAYS get a mana surge. When I match 4 gems I NEVER get a mana surge. It wasn’t important or noticeable before, but as skill numbers grow and the chances for mana surges become tangible (like 50%), I started to make some tactics relying on them. And now to my surprise I find that sometimes 3x-matches are more beneficial than 4x ones. So was it always like this? Or was it changed by some patch? Is it by design or a bug? just curious. and sorry if it was discussed before, searched new forum - found nothing, and I’m not going to search through the old one 😏 ---
**Author:** ![dhjl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dhjl/32/3981_2.png) [@dhjl](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/dhjl)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2015, 1:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4x-match-no-mana-surge/653/2 "2015-09-10T13:13:17Z")
As far as I know, it’s by design. You get an extra turn in exchange for the potential mana loss, so in my opinion it balances out. ---
**Author:** ![LummoxJR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lummoxjr/32/209_2.png) [@LummoxJR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LummoxJR)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 6:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4x-match-no-mana-surge/653/3 "2015-09-11T06:25:53Z")
I had no idea; thanks for letting us know. Still I’d rather get the extra turn.