# 4.8 Update (Patch Notes) **URL:** \ **Category:** Official News\ **Created:** [March 10, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870 "2020-03-10T23:26:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Mana\_Surgeon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mana_surgeon/32/55678_2.png) [@Mana\_Surgeon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mana_Surgeon)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/251 "2020-03-11T22:21:27Z")
I think all the skepticism behind the stated motive is reasonable, in light of what we’ve been told. > [@Saltypatra](#): > > Just popping in to give some further information. We changed the Sunspear’s third trait as we received a lot of complaints about it being too similar to the level 20 Fire Talent - Firestarter. We weren’t able to change the talent as it affects many different classes, so we chose to change Sunspear’s third trait. The basis behind this change isn’t just a case where a vocal minority of players could have a different opinion from the majority. It is objectively FALSE, to anybody who actually understands the game. Nobody would say an effect (especially a board effect) that activates on every turn is similar, in actual gameplay, to an effect that activates only at the start of match. That such thinking could be the basis for wholesale content deletion (this is not a mere balance change i.e. the old teams work, just not as well; this is taking the old Sunspear teams out of the game) is what I think leads to such doubting of the official stated motive. (I get that there’s a desire for the Devs to be responsive to feedback from the player community, not just here, but in all the various channels. This is generally a positive impulse, and I really don’t want to be too harsh about that. ) ---
**Author:** ![DannyDabberino](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dannydabberino/32/41263_2.png) [@DannyDabberino](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DannyDabberino)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/252 "2020-03-11T23:20:19Z")
Thats what everyone said was gonna happen with the release of its faction and it hasnt affected explore much at all if any… will be quite a while before urskaya gets any new troops now… and when that time comes I, myself, and others will find new strategies and build new teams to accomplish our goals… ---
**Author:** ![Arelana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/arelana/32/16081_2.png) [@Arelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arelana)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/253 "2020-03-11T23:32:10Z")
> [@DannyDabberino](#): > > will be quite a while before urskaya gets any new troops now Oh, I know. Just venting a bit of residual snark in light of the update brouhaha. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Denthegod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/denthegod/32/69138_2.png) [@Denthegod](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Denthegod)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 12:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/254 "2020-03-12T00:15:46Z")
> [@igniteice](#): > > > [@Kafka](#): > > > > We’re not insinuating you’re idiots, I’m very sorry it’s been taken that way, > > When the majority of the playerbase (in this case 95% of it according to that poll over there and I think you’ve seen it) disagrees with a decision, _you_ are wrong, not us. And trying to justify your reasons repeatedly makes it seem like _you_ believe that if you say it a few more times, we’ll understand it better and a lightbulb will go off and we’ll say “Oh, wow, what a great change, now that I’ve read your explanation one hundred times, now it makes sense.” > > No. Wow, the level of ego in that post is just baffling. ---
**Author:** ![Sublime\_Eimar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Sublime\_Eimar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sublime_Eimar)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/255 "2020-03-12T00:44:23Z")
If the devs felt that permastorms were too powerful, and that was the reason for nerfing Sunspear, then I’m actually fine with that. I’m not fine with a carefully-worded document that claims that the third trait and the Firestorm talent were the same. They’re not, and the only reason to claim that they are is to mislead players. It really rankles being lied to. ---
**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/256 "2020-03-12T01:16:09Z")
“The trait is too similar to the lv20 talent.” \*Changes it to be similar to the lv70 talent instead. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 2:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/257 "2020-03-12T02:00:36Z")
Phoenica + perma firestorm were too strong. She can easily do 80+ damage to all troops. - so other troops look like 💩 compared to her. Like in the discussion about Will of Nysha where players were saying that this troop was crap because Pho does lot more damage. What do you think devs will say when they read something like that? Pho too strong. - her bonus is too much permanent with the old Heatwave. Only way to lost was to get your Hero stunned. I guess the damage output was designed to do in **average** 40+ AoE damage which seems reasonable with casual storms (i.e. that means having half the time a FIrestorm which is feasible). - then you know devs hate nerfing troops. We all know that every time they nerf a troop, a riot happens… So better solution is to remove the cause of the permanent 80+ AoE damage, Heatwave. - there is no way devs will come here and say that they are changing Heatwave because of its so-well synergy with Pho ---
**Author:** ![Smash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/smash/32/5574_2.png) [@Smash](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Smash)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 2:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/258 "2020-03-12T02:14:42Z")
I have a suggestion that would go a long way to making players happy: When an enemy team has a “start battle with X storm” have that apply BEFORE your storm. That way it is theirs that is over written. If you want to argue, but that ruins the entire enemy team, then reverse that argument and its the current 1: That ruins the attacking team by allowing them to overwrite the storm instantly. As it stands, you both go in with a different storm each to for start of battle. Yours triggers, then theirs triggers, then you get to have your turn. Your storm done nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 2:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/259 "2020-03-12T02:17:50Z")
Even simpler change: all enemy traits trigger before all ally traits. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 2:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/260 "2020-03-12T02:19:19Z")
Player gets the 1st turn, AI gets the starting storm. It seems fair. I mean I also like that the starting storm be the one of my Hero class but it would be too advantageous for the player. ---
**Author:** ![Lorien1973](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lorien1973/32/75546_2.png) [@Lorien1973](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lorien1973)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/261 "2020-03-12T02:24:59Z")
80 to all isn’t that much. Others do a lot more. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 2:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/262 "2020-03-12T02:27:58Z")
Oh really. I didn’t know 🤔. Maybe you should add some examples, because your argument seems a little bit light 😉 . ---
**Author:** ![Jefferson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@Jefferson](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jefferson)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 2:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/263 "2020-03-12T02:28:28Z")
yes… let us add examples so those can be nerfed as well ---
**Author:** ![Smash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/smash/32/5574_2.png) [@Smash](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Smash)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 2:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/264 "2020-03-12T02:42:23Z")
Not sure why you replied to me lol. But Pho isnt just 80 to all. Mine, not medalled, does around 120 to all most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 2:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/265 "2020-03-12T02:49:31Z")
> [@Dust\_Angel](#): > > hearing this > > > **... basically bs ...** > > > > > [@Kafka](#): > > > > > > We’re not insinuating you’re idiots, I’m very sorry it’s been taken that way, as I said the Designers wanted to bring this more in line with how the Corsair Trait works. The fact that this isn’t a popular decision isn’t a statement about your intelligence levels - the change just is what it is. > > > > after we’ve been told this: > > > > > [@Saltypatra](#): > > > > > > Because the Sunspear has access to the Fire Talent Tree, it’s Legendary Trait is the same as the level 20 Fire Talent – Firestarter. > > I simply cannot see it any other way than a double insult to my intelligence. > If you really think it’s all okay and stuff, maybe your crew could, for once, put your money where your mouth is? > [@Dust\_Angel](#): > > I can see two possible takeways from this particular mess - either we’re interacting with insolent liars or with people who doesn’t have a slightest clue about the issue they’re supposedly fixing, since they’re doing the worst possible thing. Agreed. Again. And then we get this on the iOS update… gross… > OUR NEW EVENTS SYSTEM UPDATE WILL KEEP YOU COMING BACK FOR MORE! Hahaha really? Not a chance. I’m not even updating it. I might delete it from my phone to get the little indicator to go away though. ---
**Author:** ![Arelana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/arelana/32/16081_2.png) [@Arelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arelana)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 2:59am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/266 "2020-03-12T02:59:53Z")
I wasn’t aware the ability “start the match with X storm” was only intended to function in favor of the defense. ---
**Author:** ![Mouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/898d66/32.png) [@Mouse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mouse)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 4:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/267 "2020-03-12T04:18:58Z")
Created an account to add another Sunspear comment. I Have been eagerly awaiting Sunspears return as the weekly class event where I was wholeheartedly planning to dump the 200 ish dollars it would take to jump it to level 100…which is no longer going to happen. The vast majority of the games classes are poorly designed and dull imo. Add Sunspear to the ash heap. Really disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Smash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/smash/32/5574_2.png) [@Smash](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Smash)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 6:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/268 "2020-03-12T06:18:44Z")
Sunspear change has been reverted back to constant storm: > [@Sunspear Changes](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunspear-changes/61949): > > As you all are very aware, we made a change to the Sunspear Hero Class. We also know that not everyone liked this change. That’s normal - it’s the nature of game development that some changes and new features won’t appeal to everyone equally. For context, when we were first made aware of potential issues between the Heatwave trait and the Firestarter Talent, we looked at potential fixes with the least impact. This is why Heatwave was changed instead of Firestarter, as Firestarter is in the Fir… ---
**Author:** ![Starlite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/starlite/32/43018_2.png) [@Starlite](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Starlite)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 7:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/269 "2020-03-12T07:25:20Z")
To be fair, there are occasional uses for Warlord and Sorcerer (maybe even Knight). None of them are meta, but you can create synergistic teams just for leveling the classes. From memory, Knight’s Green storm and Warlord’s Red storm can work with Skeleton Key; Sorcerer’s Purple storm can be useful, and Enchant on Green works well with Wrath PvP grinding teams. Sorcerer may even be the best option for one team. ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 7:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/270 "2020-03-12T07:26:52Z")
> [@Starlite](#): > > From memory, Knight’s Green storm Knight only has a Yellow Storm. Green storm is part of the Forest tree [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870.md?page=12) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870.md?page=14)