# 4.8 Update (Patch Notes) **URL:** \ **Category:** Official News\ **Created:** [March 10, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870 "2020-03-10T23:26:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Smash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/smash/32/5574_2.png) [@Smash](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Smash)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 5:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/191 "2020-03-11T05:20:20Z")
I said this on stream, and was told its too crowded and therefore cant go there. I highly disagree, and think it needs to be linked to each team rather than 3 global 1s. Need more space, make another tab for medals like is there for Troops, Weapon, Banners, Class, Bonuses and Pets. Hell, replace Pets and add a seperate menu for Pets elsewhere if you really wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 5:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/192 "2020-03-11T05:24:47Z")
Perma-storms are bad design as it totally screw the storm mechanic (i.e. cast it then disappear after 8 turns). It seems a nerf to Phoenica so you cannot have a perma x2 bonus đŸ€”. But nerfing Phoenica will have an even worst feedback from the playerbase. Just a guess 😉 . ---
**Author:** ![Julli-of-North](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/julli-of-north/32/91083_2.png) [@Julli-of-North](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Julli-of-North)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/193 "2020-03-11T06:17:30Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > **Sunspear Hero Class** > > Because the Sunspear has access to the Fire Talent Tree, it’s Legendary Trait is the conflicts with the level 20 Fire Talent - Firestarter. We’ve given it a new Legendary Trait that keeps to what we intended. > > - Legendary Trait changed to Gain 2 bonus Red Mana when matching Red Gems. > - _This is similar to the Corsair’s High Seas Legendary Trait._ Just say the 3rd trait made one team too powerful and skewed the game economy too much. A nerf is a nerf, why lie about it? Especially with the 2nd trait being _exactly_ same as talent. Sure, players would have been mad about it, but maybe you get little less shit when you dont lie to playerbase like that. Edit: > [@Saltypatra](#): > > Because the Sunspear has access to the Fire Talent Tree, it’s Legendary Trait is the same as the level 20 Fire Talent – Firestarter. We’ve given it a new Legendary Trait that keeps to what we intended.\* Legendary Trait changed to Gain 2 bonus Red Mana when matching Red Gems. I see you edited your post
 oh well đŸ’© ➡ 🌀 ---
**Author:** ![HONUSDAN](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/honusdan/32/58074_2.png) [@HONUSDAN](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HONUSDAN)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/194 "2020-03-11T06:34:14Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > Players have been giving feedback about the third trait for some time. They largely voiced the opinion that they were unhappy with it being so similar to the talent. This has been across our social accounts, and mentioned several times on stream. So what I’m hearing is that if **more** people complain that you broke something amazing in the game you’ll put it back. You got it. Do a tally. How many more complaints do you need? Do we start a petition? Let’s get this fixed. Tell us what we have to do? ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/195 "2020-03-11T06:40:24Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > Because the Sunspear has access to the Fire Talent Tree, it’s Legendary Trait is the conflicts with the level 20 Fire Talent - Firestarter. We’ve given it a new Legendary Trait that keeps to what we intended. Let me also reiterate to anyone saying this is an intentional nerf - this is what was in the patch notes as the official reason behind the change currently. If the perma firestorm was for whatever reason deemed too strong and needed to be intentionally, there should have been a mention that it was too strong in certain setups. Why is this important? If the stated reason for a change does not match the actual reason behind it, trying to make a logical argument that has anything to do with the stated reason behind the change is completely futile. If that is the case, any reasoned, logical argument _would_ be about as effective as just directionless complaining and vitriol being spouted. Until the time where it is stated “perma firestorm was deemed too powerful”, I’m going to proceed under the assumption that this was not the core reason behind the change. If it turns out that it is, I will be very sad
 not just because I vehemently disagree that this is “too powerful”, but because I wasted my time giving feedback centered around why you _said_ the change was made that had exactly zero chance of actually resonating because the whole time I should have been arguing “this is why this trait is not too powerful”. For the record, I also vehemently disagree with the notion that the original Heatwave trait is “too similar” to **one** of the talents at **one** of the levels and that warranted this change. The Heatwave trait is unique in that it refreshes and overwrites enemy starting storms, something that has been gaining even importance as troops with starting storms get added and theres is more content where you are intended to go beyond four turns (very likely a _lot_ of the new content). The correct response to this initial “too similar” feedback would have “no change necessary, because it isn’t”. The Fire Tree does not need to be considered to be swapped out even, although you are kinda pigeonholed to the _one_ talent that does not do something at that level and it doesn’t do much, there are a lot of classes with talent tiers that do even less with even the best of three picks. Basically, the old Heatwave may have invalidated firestarter (and nature’s aura), but firestarter is **not** a replacement for the old Heatwave. This is in _contrast_ to the initial pre-release Stormcaller talent issue, which was a **literal copy paste** of Chaos Storm, where I’m glad feedback was taken to change it to our now current version of a perma lightstorm. The chief complaint there was not only “this is too similar” but “this is literally exactly the same and the current version is actually detrimental to _most_ setups.” And, even if you _did_ want to build around this “Totally Not Chaos Storm”, you could have used one of the other multiple classes that already had Chaos Storm, which would have not only left the class with a dead trait slot, but with not really any unique tools. The original trait was invalidated by one of the talents that did the same thing _but better_, because it could be turned off. By giving it a perma lightstorm, it gained something to set it apart from the rest - an identity - _and_ dealt with the similarity. The irony is, by reducing Heatwave to a double link to deal with this “similarity” you’ve _taken away_ this identity from Sunspear. Would I be opposed to Stormcaller gaining the old Heatwave going forward as a solve? Personally, yes. I still think Phoenicia’s Firestorm specific condition is silly but I don’t like it when _any_ setups get taken off the table. Drop the turn, not disabling AoEs are only applicable in certain situations. Phoenicia’s damage is not singularly lethal on stuff you couldn’t farm already, even with stacked medals. (Side note, her damage output relative to enemy health pools sort of reminds me of Gaard’s Avatar, lots of two-shot setups, one-shot setups being relegated to “punching down”). Making her synergize with the stryx classes _unique_ class tools by changing her storm condition (to all storms, preferably) I believe is far more important than forcing the stryx tools to synergize with her (even though Phoenicia technically came first). She’d still be _better_ with a firestorm, fitting thematically, because it would mean more red gems for her boost. I don’t think we should be taking _any_ setups off the table unless there is a very good reason to do so, and the (fallacious) “too similar” argument is not that reason. And if it was seriously just Phoenicia/Sunspear setups that were _actually_ too powerful, well, that would make it a nerf
 which really should have been stated from the start. But following that reasoning, it also means that the nerf was extremely misdirected. There are plenty of classes that _don’t_ have a strong identity associated with the trait that could do with gaining the double link traits. I’d prefer something a bit more unique, but it is what it is, a lot of the _unusable_ classes mostly suffer from the problem that all their trees combined don’t really have any singular choices and don’t significantly interact with the third trait, which would continue to be true even with a double link. Realistically, the entirety of weaker _trees_ need to be addressed to have some kind of identity in an of themselves, so that a bunch more two-tree combos interact with each other in a way that can be usable (and bonus if they also interact with the trait). But perma-firestorm belongs on Sunspear. Side note, what I really dislike about this situation is now I feel a nagging feeling to go on threads that suggest bad ideas like changing Heatwave away from a firestorm to say why they are bad ideas to they won’t be taken as serious actionable feedback representative of the playerbase. I’m sure others feel the same way but might be less
 diplomatic. ---
**Author:** ![Swarly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5fc32e/32.png) [@Swarly](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Swarly)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/196 "2020-03-11T06:51:59Z")
@Kafka Forgive me if I missed a response in here, but I am experiencing the achievement bug Reach 20,000 Renown. I am currently at 22,295 after finishing Wild Court today after the rollout of the patch. When I started, I was at about 600 Wild Court renown. I play on Xbox, let me know if you need anymore info. Thanks in advance ---
**Author:** ![adriancinc0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/adriancinc0/32/67785_2.png) [@adriancinc0](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/adriancinc0)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/197 "2020-03-11T06:56:11Z")
changes that nobody liked useless talents characteristics that are terrible and useless 4.8 a disaster As a veteran this game begins to get boring and decadent. 👎 👎 ---
**Author:** ![Kafka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kafka/32/33529_2.png) [@Kafka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kafka)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/198 "2020-03-11T06:58:22Z")
@Swarly it’s not fixed yet sorry, we had to forward the issue to our publisher who will be in contact with Xbox to get the issue with the achievement fixed sorry! Fingers crossed we can get this working as intended soon ---
**Author:** ![Swarly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5fc32e/32.png) [@Swarly](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Swarly)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 7:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/199 "2020-03-11T07:06:21Z")
No worries, I don’t forum a whole lot or as much as I used to in other much older games. Just wanted to get you as much info as could to help on your end. Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![Magnusimus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/magnusimus/32/50652_2.png) [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 7:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/200 "2020-03-11T07:12:58Z")
Honestly I’m still upset, too, because what _harm_ was Phoenicia-farming causing? People weren’t using Cedric on that team, were they, or using her past Level 5ish? So less gold than can be made in other ways, and none of the best tokens earned, either. SURE: a bunch of trophies gained—_trophies that confer no in-game bonuses but only bragging rights_—but again: \*where is the problem **to the economy of the game** if Phoenicia teams really are the reason for the nerf? And as Mithran has eloquently explained: this is the only reason that really makes any sense at all for why the change would occur. Because the stated reason can’t be reconciled with the fact the second trait _is literally the same as another talent_. And even the hastily re-written reason makes no sense (sentence structure aside — edited in a rush, clearly, to end up with “ **it’s** Legendary Trait **is the conflicts** 
 
really?) because the talent and the trait **did not conflict**. They _complimented_ each other by ensuring the player could _maintain_ his or her firestorm by preventing other storms from over-writing it! ---
**Author:** ![DannyDabberino](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dannydabberino/32/41263_2.png) [@DannyDabberino](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DannyDabberino)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 8:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/201 "2020-03-11T08:06:28Z")
Why is everyone claiming it was done because of low level speed farming?? For low level stuff nothing has changed
 you start with a firestorm and almost always finish the battle turn 1 anyhow
 unless of course the devs really are that clueless and thought this was a solution to stop low level farming
 but also there are other builds that can be just as quick for low level content
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**Author:** ![DannyDabberino](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dannydabberino/32/41263_2.png) [@DannyDabberino](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DannyDabberino)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 8:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/202 "2020-03-11T08:24:41Z")
Oh my god STOP comparing sunspear to corsair
 we could very easily say that before it was more in line with stormcaller, but why does any class have to fall in line with any other?? And people have complained for far longer and louder about so many other examples of much worse and actual duplicate and otherwise useless aspects of classes, troops, and weapons that you guys completely ignore, so why such swift action taken here to destroy what was one of the best classes??? Just seems like a load of nonsensical deception and vague dishonest excuses and distractions
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**Author:** ![Stix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@Stix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stix)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 8:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/203 "2020-03-11T08:55:11Z")
Scoring for the events sounds like it could be more down to luck than skill in some cases. Particularly > They may score off of items dropped by your enemies And as many have mentioned: making especially team events only last a weekend sounds rather punishing. ---
**Author:** ![Sheffield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sheffield/32/67509_2.png) [@Sheffield](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sheffield)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 9:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/204 "2020-03-11T09:34:46Z")
> [@Kafka](#): > > Hey, try quitting the game from the PlayStation menu. We think an emoji went rogue and did this, we’ve tried everything we could on at least 3 different platforms and can’t reproduce this so we think it’s a very edge case glitch. I’d be surprised if you still get the issue after quitting and re-opening the game When i click on text size it happens ![Before](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/2/3/23282057a6cc7c7b532cb0d3fb4c9bf86a868c2a.jpeg) ![after-yellow](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/b/4/b4e8da92d3547b9bc7a91666e792ad69daa35bc5.jpeg) Restarting the game fixes it but it keeps coming back. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 9:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/205 "2020-03-11T09:35:29Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > New events will have new ways of scoring. They may score off of items dropped by your enemies, specific troops or troop types killed, colored gems matched, or even 4-or-5’s of-a-kind that you match; every event will be different. And will clearly explain the scoring method. I’d like to point out this hidden disaster waiting to happen. Event means sigils, means limited amount of games. Making scoring based on the number of certain colored or 4+ matches requires prolonging those limited battles for as long as possible, milking each one for hours on end, for a whole week. This isn’t just boring, it’s the epitome of boringness, guaranteed to make bad feelings skyrocket. Please, **PLEASE** bury this idea while the damage isn’t done yet. ---
**Author:** ![Saephism](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@Saephism](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saephism)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 9:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/206 "2020-03-11T09:38:53Z")
I get that, but imagine one your work perks is “Free coffee all day” and then during your end-of-the-year review you get told “you’ve done such a good job, you can now get free coffee once a day”. And you’re obviously like “but uhh
 wasn’t I getting free coffee all day already?” and the reply is “oh yes, you’re right. So from now on, you get free coffee once a day, but you can get free sugar whenever you want”. ---
**Author:** ![Gibbem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gibbem/32/36957_2.png) [@Gibbem](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gibbem)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 9:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/207 "2020-03-11T09:45:06Z")
Don’t forget the one cup a day will sometimes just be water 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BARBELITH](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/barbelith/32/47103_2.png) [@BARBELITH](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/BARBELITH)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/208 "2020-03-11T09:48:39Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > Because the Sunspear has access to the Fire Talent Tree, it’s Legendary Trait is the same as the level 20 Fire Talent – Firestarter. We’ve given it a new Legendary Trait that keeps to what we intended.\* Legendary Trait changed to Gain 2 bonus Red Mana when matching Red Gems this is hardly the same thing
 this is how it works if you guys obviously don’t understand it (should really play the game before making some half assed associated likeness of things) lets say you bring sunspear up against a troop (or class) that starts with a storm, now your firestorm is overwritten, not to mention the firestorm fades in a few turns INSTEAD of staying constant
 on the otherhand the new lackluster horseshit talent gives us a whopping 2 extra red mana per match futher boosted by the talent it “OVERLAPS” that gives an additional 1 red mana on match
 this change honestly makes me want to play the game less, good job devs ---
**Author:** ![anhlong1122](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/anhlong1122/32/63110_2.png) [@anhlong1122](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/anhlong1122)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 9:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/209 "2020-03-11T09:53:36Z")
So, all in all, I believe that we can all agree that this happened because non of the devs play the game and not even allow beta testers to see what they want to do with the game. ---
**Author:** ![Utinam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/utinam/32/60726_2.png) [@Utinam](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Utinam)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 10:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-8-update-patch-notes/61870/210 "2020-03-11T10:30:28Z")
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