# 4.5 Update Patch Notes **URL:** \ **Category:** Official News\ **Created:** [August 28, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370 "2019-08-28T00:10:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 6:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/41 "2019-08-28T06:56:22Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > I’m looking forward to “new troops” just being a different color of the troops we have now. I’m looking forward to “new troops” just being the same color of the troops we have now, but with a different name. _coughs at Nimue and Alderfather_ ---
**Author:** ![svechen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/svechen/32/8382_2.png) [@svechen](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/svechen)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/42 "2019-08-28T08:12:10Z")
> [@Sirrian](#): > > The Kingdom Popup Menu has surfaced several items that were previously only accessible from the Kingdom menu, including: > > - Kingdom Power – Players can now view how many tasks they have currently completed at a glance, or open the Kingdom Power menu directly. Can we please colour or fill the circles ( maybe orange) that are not achievable? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/43 "2019-08-28T08:43:29Z")
> [@Sirrian](#): > > **New Status Effect: Reflect** > > We have a new Status Effect – Reflect. After a troop takes damage, Reflect will take 50% of that damage (from Skulls, Spell, and Traits) and reflect it back to the Enemy who caused it. Reflect will dispel once damage has been taken (so it only activates once). Reflect does not protect its troop from any of the damage taken. > > Reflect damage is rounded down, however Reflect will always deal a minimum of least 1 damage (even if the damage that triggered it was 1). Reflect damage is counted as special damage, so damage reduction traits such as Armored or Spell Armor will not apply to the damage dealt by Reflect. > > Reflect only applies if an Enemy deals damage. Allies dealing damage will not trigger Reflect, nor will Status Effects. Positive Effects and Healing have no interaction with Reflect. How does Lethal and Devour work with this? Half the troops HP will be damaged back? (I’m already seeing it in the game.) ---
**Author:** ![Jimzah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jimzah/32/28888_2.png) [@Jimzah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jimzah)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/44 "2019-08-28T08:54:14Z")
So the only way to get deeds,is through occasional adventure boards or… With real money? Seriously? ---
**Author:** ![noob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/noob/32/54823_2.png) [@noob](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/noob)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 9:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/45 "2019-08-28T09:08:24Z")
Devour reflects 50% of (armor + hp). Havent tested lethal but i assume it works the same way ---
**Author:** ![Amiacat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amiacat/32/33370_2.png) [@Amiacat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amiacat)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 9:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/46 "2019-08-28T09:14:12Z")
I rely on my only skull damage team to take down the toughest enemies with tons of hp and armor. Skull damage has never been too strong. First, it is already weak against skull reduction and evasion troops. Second, playing with skull is never easy because sometimes I have to trade my hp for mana, and one misplay can backfire really hard. Now that there is even reflection, I’m afraid skull teams will be no longer viable for playing. Weak team with low hp troops will die faster and strong tough troops will be even tougher. This is not balanced and fair. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 9:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/47 "2019-08-28T09:21:37Z")
> [@Amiacat](#): > > I rely on my only skull damage team to take down the toughest enemies with tons of hp and armor. Skull damage has never been too strong. First, it is already weak against skull reduction troops. Second, playing with skull is never easy because sometimes I have to trade my hp for mana, and one misplay can backfire really hard. Now that there is even reflection, I’m afraid skull teams will be no longer viable for playing. Weak team with low hp troops will die faster and strong tough troops will be even tougher. This is not balanced and fair. In regards to skull damage… This has been around for a while actually. But dispell or barrier will prevent the skull damage coming back at you. ---
**Author:** ![Neritar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/neritar/32/39263_2.png) [@Neritar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Neritar)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 9:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/48 "2019-08-28T09:21:52Z")
> [@Sirrian](#): > > If you would like to read about the changes to kingdom leveling in more depth, you can read our game guide here: [https://gemsofwar.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000491816](https://gemsofwar.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000491816). Shentang doesn’t give a bonus to Magic, it gives a bonus to Life. Sin of Maraj (with his bonus to Attack) is missing on Kingdom List. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 9:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/49 "2019-08-28T09:22:25Z")
> [@Neritar](#): > > Shentang doesn’t give a bonus to Magic For a hour it did upon release. 😣 ---
**Author:** ![Amiacat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amiacat/32/33370_2.png) [@Amiacat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amiacat)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 9:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/50 "2019-08-28T09:38:16Z")
Still, I think 50% is too much. To kill a 200hp unit with your 100hp unit with skull you have to also sacrifice yours. The special damage type indicates that if I hit a 80% reduction troop with 100 dmg I will receive 50 dmg and they only receive 20. What’s the point of playing skull anymore? ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 9:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/51 "2019-08-28T09:42:42Z")
> [@Amiacat](#): > > The special damage type indicates that if I hit a 80% reduction troop with 100 dmg I will receive 50 dmg and they only receive 20. What’s the point of playing skull anymore? Well you shouldn’t be using a skull team Against 80% skull reduction. But yeah… Stuff like this is to slow down skull spam teams. Since the devs made the game 4 times faster, they’ve been trying to figure out ways to make it 3 times slower. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 9:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/52 "2019-08-28T09:49:04Z")
> [@Amiacat](#): > > To kill a 200hp unit with your 100hp unit with skull you have to also sacrifice yours. Only if you do 200 damage in one hit, reflect only works on the first instance of damage. > [@Amiacat](#): > > The special damage type indicates that if I hit a 80% reduction troop with 100 dmg I will receive 50 dmg and they only receive 20. You receive half of the damage done, which should be 10 in this situation. The 10 damage you receive is neither physical nor magical, so it won’t get reduced by any of your traits. ---
**Author:** ![BelethS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/beleths/32/53407_2.png) [@BelethS](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/BelethS)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/54 "2019-08-28T10:00:17Z")
Is the reflect occuring before or after the devour adds the stats? Thinking how fun would be to have an irongut with 70 armor/70 life trying to devour an delve opponent with reflect, that has 200 life/200 armor… If reflect will inflict first, the reflected dmg would outnumber irongut’s base stats, so he should be killed before getting the extra stats from devour… ---
**Author:** ![noob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/noob/32/54823_2.png) [@noob](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/noob)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/55 "2019-08-28T10:15:20Z")
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**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/56 "2019-08-28T10:16:59Z")
> [@BelethS](#): > > Thinking how fun would be to have an irongut with 70 armor/70 life trying to devour an delve opponent with reflect, that has 200 life/200 armor… > If reflect will inflict first, the reflected dmg would outnumber irongut’s base stats, so he should be killed before getting the extra stats from devour… In theory, when it comes to Irongut, the damage it does should trigger the reflect, then devour chance gets checked. Havent tested yet ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/57 "2019-08-28T10:18:01Z")
> [@TheIdleOne](#): > > when it comes to irongut, the damage it does should trigger the reflect, then devour chance gets checked I haven’t paid close enough attention. But I think it devours or damages (disregarding the text.) ---
**Author:** ![Voq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/voq/32/54089_2.png) [@Voq](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Voq)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/58 "2019-08-28T10:18:29Z")
> [@Griswald](#): > > One major change with challenges is that wearing celestial armor no longer multiplies the soul rewards from challenges. The payoff is now armor-independent. This is really too bad as that was a great source of souls for newer players. I’m surprised no one asked the devs about this during the stream. It seemed extremely likely that the souls from the new Challenge system would never actually equal that of the old. Perhaps it’s more fresh in my mind than older players because I utilized those bonus souls only a few months ago. ---
**Author:** ![BelethS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/beleths/32/53407_2.png) [@BelethS](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/BelethS)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/59 "2019-08-28T10:45:52Z")
Nope, it damages (always), then devours (maybe). That’s why, if targeting and devouring an 100 life/100 armor enemy, it will always gain (100-irongut skill dmg) armor/100 life, instead of 100/100. Tested that on 1x speed a while ago. So yea, reflect should occur before devouring, so targeting a high end delve enemy with reflect shouldn’t kill irongut itself before the devour kicks in… I guess someone’s gonna confirm/infirm it via warrens runs sooner or later. ---
**Author:** ![Whiskeyjack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/whiskeyjack/32/65850_2.png) [@Whiskeyjack](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Whiskeyjack)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/60 "2019-08-28T10:51:47Z")
Don’t forget you can use a hero with the dispel talent to remove reflect. None of them are fast starting currently, but highforge can make the runepriest start with half mana ---
**Author:** ![Gamerkiti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gamerkiti/32/56202_2.png) [@Gamerkiti](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gamerkiti)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 11:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-5-update-patch-notes/57370/61 "2019-08-28T11:14:26Z")
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