# 3.4 Sneak Peek Doomskulls **URL:** \ **Category:** Spoilers\ **Created:** [April 14, 2018, 2:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159 "2018-04-14T02:19:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 5:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/61 "2018-04-20T05:26:42Z")
In this case, it can be better to modify the description of the spell and add “boosted by Skulls and Doomskulls”. ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 5:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/62 "2018-04-20T05:33:59Z")
Thanks for the info. The responses make me believe that they are an entirely new 8th gem type that only certain spells recognize as “skulls”, but the board altering mechanics do _not_. If I understand your responses correctly, doomskulls circumvent every single current spell that specifically counters skulls in the game (skullblade, finley, carnex, Anubite, etc) - they will be absolutely useless versus doomskulls. Also, using skull spawners on doomskull teams and vice versa makes them incompatible and the latter just basically better than the former. I hope this gets reconsidered, especially with regard to the stuff that targets skulls specifically. This is a class of spells that is already _very_ weak and this mechanic seems like it should probably have some counterplay when it goes up. As for everything else, well, its counter intuitive at best. I suppose my biggest gripe with this information is that it is internally inconsistent. Doomskulls count as skulls when they _want_ to count as skulls - yes when counting them on the board for boost ratios and matching to normal skulls, but no when respecting the “same type” rule (if a doomskull is a special skull, they shouldn’t spawn over each other, and normal skulls _definitely_ shouldn’t be overwriting doomskulls) and no when being targeted by stuff that targets “skulls” on the board (if doomskulls _are_ just special skulls, they _should_ be targetable _as_ skulls). I would expect stuff that is boosted by skulls to be boosted by doomskulls as well… since doomskulls are special skulls. And I would _expect_ skull spawners to only spawn normal skulls and not doomskulls, since doomskulls are special skulls. But then I would _not_ expect skull spawners to spawn on top of doomskulls, since doomskulls still skulls, just a special type of them. I would expect doomskulls to be targetable by skull counters, since doomskulls are just special skulls. tl;dr: For this to be internally consistent and intuitive we basically just need all spells to act as “every doomskull is a skull, but not every skull is a doomskull”. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 5:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/63 "2018-04-20T05:39:07Z")
> [@Mithran](#): > > For this to be internally consistent and intuitive we basically just need all spells to act as “every doomskull is a skull, but not every skull is a doomskull”. It seems that it will work like that. > [@Cyrup](#): > > Actually, Frost Giant’s spell is boosted by Doomskulls because whilst a Doomskull counts as a type of Skull a Skull does not count as a type of Doomskull. ---
**Author:** ![Doordash\_Support](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/doordash_support/32/45654_2.png) [@Doordash\_Support](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Doordash_Support)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 5:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/64 "2018-04-20T05:42:26Z")
My brain is broken when it comes to what counts as a doom skull and what doesn’t. Common sense says I will face the meta of the week when this glowing skull gets released and alter my team accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 5:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/65 "2018-04-20T05:49:41Z")
Not in all cases, and that is the problem, it isn’t internally consistent. It was specifically stated in the response that skulls and doomskulls can spawn over each other because they are “different gem types”. And also that things that target skulls specifically cannot target doomskulls. If **every doomskull is considered a skull** , then normal skull spawners should not overwrite doomskulls (because why would skulls spawn over other skulls?), and things that target skulls on the board should also target doomskulls (because why wouldn’t things that target skulls be able to target skulls?). > [@Cyrup](#): > > Q: Do randomly generated skulls (eg., Bone Dragon - ‘Create X Skulls’) and randomly generated Doomskulls (eg., insert unreleased troop here) overwrite existing Doomskulls/skulls? > A: Yes. This uses the same ‘CREATE’ rule that all other troops use. **It’s possible for ANY gem created to overwrite another gem type on the board.** But, unless the spell specifies doomskulls, they will not create doomskulls. > [@Cyrup](#): > > Q: Do things that transform, remove, destroy, or explode skulls target doomskulls? > A: The spell will specify “Gem”, “Color”, “Chosen Type” accordingly. If it states “Colour” then Skulls OR Doom Skulls will not be targeted as they spells target mana colours (e.g. Select mana colour). **If it states “Skulls” then ONLY Skulls will be targeted, NOT Doom Skulls.** ‘Of a chosen type’ does not specifiy mana or skulls, so both doomskulls or mana colours/gems could be selected. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 6:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/66 "2018-04-20T06:01:56Z")
In both cases, Doomskulls should be considered as Skulls. Maybe for 1st one (i.e. Doomskulls overwrite Skulls), it’s a sort of nerf so Guardians cannot get wild… For the 2nd one (i.e. skull-targeting spells don’t target Doomskulls), I assume that Cap Skullbeard will explode nothing if there are only Doomskulls on the board. That’s super misleading… Hope devs will improve consistency about that before the patch… Surely too late… ---
**Author:** ![Cyrup](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cyrup/32/50181_2.png) [@Cyrup](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cyrup)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 6:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/67 "2018-04-20T06:44:10Z")
When it comes to counting gems, Doomskulls count as skulls, so anything that counts or targets skulls, will also count/target Doomskulls. However, when creating skulls, Doomskulls are considered separate and won’t be created unless the spell specifically creates them. Also normal skulls can overwrite Doomskulls during creations. ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 7:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/68 "2018-04-20T07:02:54Z")
It sounds like you all made a conscious decision to let guild guardians (and presumably other troops) target doomskulls for creation. Was this because the game didn’t feel exciting enough with doomskulls excluded? Also, will Dwarven Miner be allowed to target doomskulls and deal 40+ damage? Edit: no on Miner. It targets gems of a chosen color. The Devoted, on the other hand, gets much better in the 3.4 update! ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 7:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/69 "2018-04-20T07:20:31Z")
Skulls=Dogs Doomskulls=German Sheppards ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 7:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/70 "2018-04-20T07:45:08Z")
> [@Grundulum](#): > > The Devoted, on the other hand, gets much better in the 3.4 update! So Honor, The Devoted, Tesla, Elspeth? ![Screenshot_20180420-024309](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/a/9/a9d3a2852a9fd0bdec7f1370e8a01c3531cac78b.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 7:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/71 "2018-04-20T07:50:35Z")
If I understand this correctly… Then these casts Will Remove Doomskulls 🤞 ![Screenshot_20180420-024715](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/e/4e14913acc4bddc52b9c949aa49ed860c7f10cb0.jpg) ![Screenshot_20180420-024656](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/5/35c6c3572fee57aad4d79940a712ef18d866f313.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 7:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/72 "2018-04-20T07:52:42Z")
It should not as it’s “remove” + “Skulls”… Doomskulls are only considered as Skulls when you’re counting skulls on the board. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 8:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/73 "2018-04-20T08:03:39Z")
> [@Cyrup](#): > > so anything that counts or targets skulls, will also count/target Doomskulls. Going by this i’d say removing skulls basically counts as targetting skulls, so will probably remove doomskulls aswell. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/74 "2018-04-20T08:08:58Z")
Yeah but: > [@Cyrup](#): > > Q: Do things that transform, remove, destroy, or explode skulls target doomskulls? > > A: The spell will specify “Gem”, “Color”, “Chosen Type” accordingly. If it states “Colour” then Skulls OR Doom Skulls will not be targeted as they spells target mana colours (e.g. Select mana colour). If it states “Skulls” then ONLY Skulls will be targeted, NOT Doom Skulls. ‘Of a chosen type’ does not specifiy mana or skulls, so both doomskulls or mana colours/gems could be selected. It’s so confusing that even devs are confused… ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 9:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/75 "2018-04-20T09:43:10Z")
I agree with @mithran and others above: this is looking inconsistent and confusing. Either doomskulls are skulls or they aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![XLS78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/b2d939/32.png) [@XLS78](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/XLS78)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 10:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/76 "2018-04-20T10:43:56Z")
If a Doomskull is next to a gem that explodes, does it also explode or is it merely destroyed? ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 11:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/77 "2018-04-20T11:04:21Z")
In PuzzleQuest they’d explode whenever destroyed by any cause. For now I’m assuming the same here. ---
**Author:** ![netwizard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/netwizard/32/35338_2.png) [@netwizard](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/netwizard)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 12:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/78 "2018-04-20T12:52:14Z")
Can’t see your point. Say, a troop spawns X green gems. Before doomskulls green were, say, 13% of the board, with doomskulls they will take the same 13%. Can’t see how it affects gemspawners. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/79 "2018-04-20T14:28:24Z")
I think what he means is since it’s another gem type, now there is one more thing to get in the way of cascades and stop longer chains of matches post-gemspawn. Some would argue that’s an _improvement_ but it’s not an argument where there can be a winner. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159/80 "2018-04-20T14:47:40Z")
The way i understand it, Doomskulls are acting as a subset of skulls. So they won’t take the place of anything but a skull. Best way to think of it is that every skull has a 10% to get big Boy Pants and become a Doomskull. So they won’t ever interfere with any cascades in other ways than skulls do, 'cause if they would not exist in its place would always be a regular skull instead not any of the colour gems. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-sneak-peek-doomskulls/38159.md?page=5)