# 3.1 update verdict?
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)
**Created:** [August 31, 2017, 10:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565 "2017-08-31T22:25:21Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/142 "2017-09-03T01:47:27Z")
Yeah i understand what you are saying but what i saying is i prefer to get a gem then a keys cause i can choose what i want to do with it
Use it for crafting, upgrade soulforge, buy vip chest, upgrade sentinelle etc…
The keys forcing you to use it for gem chest and this is what i don’t like about it.
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### Author:  [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/143 "2017-09-03T01:47:37Z")
Allegedly the drop rate from a VIP key is 10x that of Gem Keys. So for your explanation to work then they need to replace what was removed with at least 10x that in gem key value for it to not be a nerf. VIP keys also give double arcane stones too, and no UR cards.
Also the above benefit that Ricky points out.
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### Author:  [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/144 "2017-09-03T01:52:14Z")
> [@Delinquent](#):
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> In fact, if it’s true that 4x speed means 20-25% more gold and the tasks got nerfed by 15-20% then it’s actually a buff!
That isn’t how math works. Ignoring that tasks have pretty sharp diminishing returns in value as you put more gold in, a 20% reduction in rewards given would be the _same_ as needing 25% more gold to buy in. Eg., if you get 100 “gem value” for 1 mil gold, and you reduce the rewards by 20%, you have 80 “gem value” per 1 mil gold. If you have 100 “gem value” for 1.25 mil gold, increasing the _cost_ by 25%, you still have 80 “gem value” per 1 mil gold.
While it still _probably_ be a net buff for some people when you consider the ~0.18 “free mythics per month” with daily dungeons, there is still the potential to lose _more_ than ~0.18 mythics per month for VIP players, especially those who were doing legendary tasks. There is also potential for mythics per month to drop from above 1.0 prepatch to below 1.0 afterward, in which case, completing collections even for the shortest amount of time is now impossible without continually paying cash.
> [@Delinquent](#):
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> For example, if a VIP key is our baseline and it costs 50 gems then what’s a Gem Key worth? 7 or 8 gems maybe? So if they’re now giving you 9 Gem Keys instead of 50 Gems then it’s a buff, period. (9 Gem Keys X 7 Gems = 56 Gems.)
A gem key is worth 4.5 to 5 gems for a VIP5 player at this stage of the game, because the only relevant thing is new mythics during the exclusive period. A gem key has an estimated purchasing power of 1/1000 mythics. A VIP key has a purchasing power of 1/100 mythics (stated to be 10 times drop rate of Gem Keys in _official posts_, with a cost of 45 to 50 gems, depending on if you purchase in bulk or not. Or, put another way, on average, 100 VIP keys, or 4500-5k gems, gets you one mythic on average, and 4500-5k “VIP 5 gem value” worth of gem keys, or still 1000 gem keys, will get you that mythic on average. What we _dont_ know for sure yet is the value the devs have assigned to a gem key, but it is fairly safe to assume that it is not the “VIP 5” value. I’d be surprised if they even gave it a value as low as 9, which is the _actual_ value it is most commonly purchased at, rather than 10.
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### Author:  [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 1:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/145 "2017-09-03T01:55:55Z")
_ **Gems** _
Open a VIP Chest
Open a Event Chest
Open a Gem Chest
Upgraded a Sentinel
Buy Gold
Buy Souls
Buy Armor
Use for Crafting
_ **Gem Key** _
Open a Gem chest
TL;DR Gems ≠ Gem Keys.
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### Author:  [@Arelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arelana)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/146 "2017-09-03T01:56:38Z")
I’m fine agreeing to disagree.
I doubt that anyone is getting “more Gem Keys than the Gems were worth”. The patch notes said specifically that the Gems were being converted to Gem Keys, not that extra Gem Keys were being given to make up for a loss in Gems.
For me personally, I paid for the ability to open VIP chests, and doing that just got significantly harder unless I pay for overpriced gem packs, which I will not do. Had gems been nerfed this hard six months ago I would never have paid to reach VIP 5, so it’s hard not to feel a little taken advantage of.
Raw Gems are worth more because they have more uses. I can’t open VIP chests with Gem Keys and the drop rates from VIP chests are slightly better than the drop rates from gem chests so that’s where I prefer to spend my resources.
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### Author:  [@Delinquent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Delinquent)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 2:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/147 "2017-09-03T02:04:10Z")
If mythics are all that matters then end gamers have absolutely no leg to stand on. Mythics are no way easier to obtain than before, even if there’s a small nerf (which we still can’t possibly know b/c we haven’t seen the tasks changes).
I refer you to this post: [Is the 3.1 update "good" or "bad'' ? Poll - #67 by Delinquent](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-the-3-1-update-good-or-bad-poll/29583/67)
There’s absolutely no way the small reduction in rewards (to the extent it may exist) can possibly offset the ability to craft a specific mythic for free every few months. Sorry man, but the math just isn’t on your side if we want to boil it all down to the cost of getting a mythic.
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### Author:  [@Arelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arelana)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/148 "2017-09-03T02:21:47Z")
The “few months” to craft a Mythic relies on the player spending 50 Gems a day for Diamonds. If the player chooses not to spend Gems, the estimate is 5-6 months per Mythic.
Calculations are, of course, subject to being refined after we see how many Diamonds are rewarded on “Diamond Day”, assuming that those Diamonds are a guaranteed reward the same way other Jewels are on their respective days.
If you’re only missing one Mythic, sure, it might be easier to say “at least I’ll have it in 6 months”. If you’re missing 3, or 5, or 8, or 10 of them? What do you say then? “At least it’s easy to get the 10 you’re missing, it’ll only take you 5 years. But it’s easy!”
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### Author:  [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/149 "2017-09-03T02:22:40Z")
Again, what it is going to boil down to is mythics per month post crafting. If that number is not \> 1 when including the free crafting materials, then it is impossible to keep pace with new releases, which are _guaranteed_ to be the one we want because we get them during the exclusive period, _which we were already doing_ pre-patch. That means not only is a full collection is not achievable, but we will have an increasing number of empty spots in our collections as time passes. I chose mythics because this is the botlleneck to achieving that goal, and if you can achieve this goal, the others are trivial. This is going to be a _huge_ deciding factor on whether or not people want to continue to play the game, and yes, the numbers are still out. If it was never intended to be that this was possible, as some are also claiming, it should have not taken this long for us to reach that point.
And yes, I’ll be sure to share the full numbers once the _full_ task data is out, to let everyone know exactly where we stand. I’m sure a great number of people will have a net benefit when you count the free crafting resources from dungeons, but a subset, (the ones mostly often requesting this feature in the first place, so they could further their collections by being able to effectively target stuff they have missed with roughly the same ease as when it was new) are more likely to see a net deficit.
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### Author:  [@Arelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arelana)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 2:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/150 "2017-09-03T02:31:02Z")
> [@Mithran](#):
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> Again, what it is going to boil down to is mythics per month post crafting. If that number is not \> 1 when including the free crafting materials, then it is impossible to keep pace with new releases
This will be huge. I am definitely looking forward to the upcoming analysis.
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### Author:  [@jeno](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/jeno)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/151 "2017-09-03T02:34:33Z")
so task nerf give you buff and 20% more gold now? i’m getting confused.
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 2:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/152 "2017-09-03T02:37:53Z")
> [@Strat](#):
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> Gems
>
> Open a VIP Chest
>
> Open a Event Chest
>
> Open a Gem Chest
>
> Upgraded a Sentinel
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> Buy Gold
>
> Buy Souls
>
> Buy Armor
>
> Use for Crafting
>
> Gem Key
>
> Open a Gem chest
>
> TL;DR Gems ≠ Gem Keys.
i am not happy bro you say same thing then me and you get more likes lol 😛
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### Author:  [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 2:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/153 "2017-09-03T02:38:48Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#):
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> i am not happy bro you say same thing then me and you get more likes lol 😛
I propose we’re allowed to convert forum Likes into Diamonds ingame! 😃
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### Author:  [@Buggyleclown](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Buggyleclown)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 2:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/154 "2017-09-03T02:56:39Z")
Little bit of a topic, but in 3.1 patch in console, the urskaya kingdom will come? Really want play with Teddy bear unit!!
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/155 "2017-09-03T02:57:18Z")
> [@Buggyleclown](#):
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> Little bit of a topic, but in 3.1 patch in console, the urskaya kingdom will come? Really want play with Teddy bear unit!!
yeah salty said 1 or 2 week after the update. they want to keep eyes on the bugs before
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### Author:  [@dreadzz](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/dreadzz)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/156 "2017-09-03T03:08:23Z")
Like many others I like the craft but the nerf on tasks rewards and the ifficult AI makes the game a chore.
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### Author:  [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 7:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/157 "2017-09-03T07:42:58Z")
Verdict is still out, but the “day of luck” numbers beat our projections. This is very promising if tasks use the day of luck conversion values for replacing “gem value” in tasks - 2 diamonds for 1 gem rather than 1 diamond for 2 gems - _four times_ as many. Eagerly awaiting that last piece of the puzzle.
> [@Is the 3.1 update "good" or "bad'' ? Poll](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-the-3-1-update-good-or-bad-poll/29583/106):
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> Still need to reserve for the task numbers, but the outlook is a lot better when the “day of luck” is considered. 74 diamonds are available from dungeons (guaranteed!) and the 50 gem purchase pack converts into 84 more, plus gives back 2 gem keys to mitigate some of the purchase price. The only thing I have bad to say about this is it would sting even more if you can’t manage to log in on a Sunday, since this is where over a third of the week’s total crafting resources come from. Revised numb…
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### Author:  [@Arnifix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arnifix)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 7:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/158 "2017-09-03T07:54:33Z")
I find it especially annoying that it’s possible to purchase the “daily” real money pack multiple times.
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### Author:  [@smilinsam](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/smilinsam)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 9:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/159 "2017-09-03T09:29:37Z")
This is a question for the mobile beta testers. When you were recently beta testing this update, did any of these problems everyone reported (devour, ui glitches etc) appear in testing as I thought that was the point of beta testing so that issues can be ironed out before release.
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### Author:  [@Whiskeyjack](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Whiskeyjack)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 9:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/160 "2017-09-03T09:50:37Z")
> [@Namour](#):
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> The biggest issue I see is with the core gameplay itself. The move-by-move nature seems to have disappeared and been replaced by a cascade-by-cascade nature in which you’re more watching than participating.
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> I would love to be able to beta test with just one change, that 4-matches cannot surge, and see if this addresses this issue
Excellent post Namour. Everyone is complaining about the nerf to guild tasks even though we don’t know the numbers yet, and I’m sat here wondering how I seem to be playing a completely different game to the one I was playing a week ago.
I guess PC players are already used to the unity AI, but I feel like most of the teams I used no longer work against the streaky RNG and huge mana surge cascades.
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### Author:  [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2017, 1:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-1-update-verdict/29565/161 "2017-09-03T13:16:39Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#):
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> i am not happy bro you say same thing then me and you get more likes lol 😛
Its my style and presentation, everyone loves a succinct witty point 😍. I’ll like your next 11 posts, deal?
EDIT: Done, bask in the ‘Glory’ of your likes😁 Now I’m running low😉
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