# 2.1 Guild Tasks Nerf and Replacement **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [July 8, 2016, 4:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255 "2016-07-08T04:30:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 12:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/221 "2016-07-10T12:08:13Z")
I guarantee that everyone who paid for Deathknight Armor would fill Sirrian’s inbox with complaints if such an armor ever went up for sale at less than $100. And they would have a point. ---
**Author:** ![BlackRhino](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/blackrhino/32/483_2.png) [@BlackRhino](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/BlackRhino)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 12:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/222 "2016-07-10T12:09:53Z")
Free items should be changed but not items u only get through buying. If they are changed Payne customers should get a credit, refund or something else. This is my opinion of the situation ---
**Author:** ![Justakid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Justakid](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Justakid)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/224 "2016-07-10T12:34:52Z")
How about we just make gems redeemable for money then? 😉 i absolutely loved the way blizzard implemented the Diablo 3 real money auction house, however there aren’t any trade able items in this game so i feel its a moot point… but I’ve always loved economy based games, entropia universe and EVE online were a few others i played… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BlackRhino](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/blackrhino/32/483_2.png) [@BlackRhino](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/BlackRhino)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 12:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/225 "2016-07-10T12:46:35Z")
I like that idea Just lol ---
**Author:** ![Justakid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Justakid](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Justakid)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/226 "2016-07-10T12:50:17Z")
even if there was a limit to how much irl money you could redeem per week, but then again its an indie studio so they would probably go bankrupt lol… blizzard has thousands of employees, thats why they were able to. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/227 "2016-07-10T13:28:03Z")
I think “top 10 guilds get too much stuff” is a faulty generalisation considering the weekly trophy gains of top10 guilds vary vastly anywhere between 3k and 25k or even more. So while some guilds fueled by their core players who seem like lifeless Gems of War machines do indeed rack up massive amounts of gems, for other guilds that are still to be considered top 10 guilds, the rewards are vastly more reasonable. So i hope there wont be an overcorrection causing the more reasonable “top guilds” to virtually never be able to mythic up their troops in the future, or have a reasonable shot at getting the base mythic cards of which, with all the support of a top guild, many players still don’t have a single one yet. ---
**Author:** ![illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@illusion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/illusion)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 1:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/228 "2016-07-10T13:31:37Z")
Let’s GOOOO clean sweep for everyone let’s start back @ lvl 1 ! The top guild members already got like 50+ cards @ mythic and even some members ascended almost every card to mythic… Sooo yeah changing the guild task will only affect the weak-mediocre players cuz the late gamers already got EVERYTHING with the thousands of gems/keys so they’re sitting pretty happy cuz no one can catch up lol ---
**Author:** ![Justakid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Justakid](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Justakid)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/229 "2016-07-10T13:35:49Z")
Even with thousands of gems and keys weekly… 5 starring all kingdoms is rather difficult ---
**Author:** ![Freakynation76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/freakynation76/32/2936_2.png) [@Freakynation76](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Freakynation76)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/230 "2016-07-10T13:35:54Z")
There’s only one more thing I want to say. People bought the DK armor to get bonuses on gold/souls and most probably use that bonus gold for guild tasks to get resources. Decreasing that ability reduces the value of that purchase. Why should I pay for a bonus that gets nerfed months later? My VIP level gets nerfed as well…this seems like reduction of a benefit we paid real money for. Just looking at my guild about half the players have the DK armor, isn’t that the point of this armor to accelerate growth and now we get punished for utilizing it along with VIP points…isn’t this almost like punishing for contributing? ---
**Author:** ![Spherix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/spherix/32/2388_2.png) [@Spherix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Spherix)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 1:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/231 "2016-07-10T13:37:23Z")
That incredibly wide variance is what makes it difficult to assign appropriate costs. How can everyone have a “reasonable” shot at mythics, whether base or via ascension, when the gap is that wide? Either it’s trivial at the top, or impossible for everyone else. Reducing that variance makes it possible for the developers to provide a better experience for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![IronyMan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ironyman/32/1620_2.png) [@IronyMan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/IronyMan)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 1:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/232 "2016-07-10T13:55:24Z")
> [@Spherix](#): > > Which is exactly how real-world economics works. Nothing is “forced”, nothing is a “natural consequence”, it’s all because people choose to react in a certain way. Really? Economics is based solely on human decision? And you are lecturing me about my understanding of the word “economy?” ---
**Author:** ![Justakid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Justakid](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Justakid)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/233 "2016-07-10T13:57:38Z")
economies are always based on human decisions, don’t you see the irony man? ---
**Author:** ![Sirrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sirrian/32/35758_2.png) [@Sirrian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sirrian)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/234 "2016-07-10T14:07:42Z")
> [@Freakynation76](#): > > People bought the DK armor to get bonuses on gold/souls and most probably use that bonus gold for guild tasks to get resources. Decreasing that ability reduces the value of that purchase. Why should I pay for a bonus that gets nerfed months later? Because we’re not actually planning on NERFING the Guild Tasks, just reworking the system so that gold donations give a greater variety of stuff, some of which will probably be unique to guild tasks, and may not even be in the game yet. ---
**Author:** ![IronyMan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ironyman/32/1620_2.png) [@IronyMan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/IronyMan)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/235 "2016-07-10T14:20:56Z")
> [@Sirrian](#): > > I used a definition from a book based on economic theory! Okay, plus 1 to you. But I still disagree with your application. > [@Mr.Strange](#): > > The fact that the value of a resource goes down as it becomes more plentiful, and that costs increase to compensate, is simple economic theory. I’m not revealing anything secret or specific to GoW. (Hmmmm…that sounds sort of like what I was saying…) The part where this gets murky is that nothing is rare in a video game, so you have to axe the supply and demand aspect. There are infinite quantities of all resources. In the real world, if some rich guy goes to the store and buys all the food, you go hungry. In the video game, if some guild earns 500,000 gems per week, does that lessen your chance of earning gems? No. The actions of the members have no economic effect on others. Any kind of “economic” change in the video game has to be effected by the actions of an external party, i.e. one of you guys, and must consist of actually changing code. So it’s not really an economic change. It’s a subjective, decision-based change stemming from your assessment of economic-like factors. This is something you have the right to do and about which I have no issue. My issue is that huge guild rewards are being presented as a major economic problem when there really isn’t one. Because minus the “hand of god,” the guild rewards have no effect on the availability of any other resource or anybody else’s enjoyment of the game. That’s all I’m trying to say. If someone will admit that the huge guild rewards in and of themselves have no effect, I’ll shut my trap. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/236 "2016-07-10T14:23:20Z")
> [@Sirrian](#): > > Unfortunately that goes against one of our policies that every piece of core content in the game (excluding bonus & cosmetic items) must be obtainable for free. We have the VIP system & its bonuses for something exclusive to paying customers, and we’d certainly be open to adding to that in future though. You talked about cosmetics and I think that the Blue armor is a good beggining. Why not new visual for cards (Christmas Mab for example)? Path of Exile is a very good example of a free game without any P2W buyables. But they propose this kind of cosmetics that make a player different that the other ones. For the moment, I cannot see what I can bought in your game that I cannot have by playing… ---
**Author:** ![IronyMan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ironyman/32/1620_2.png) [@IronyMan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/IronyMan)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/237 "2016-07-10T14:24:17Z")
> [@Justakid](#): > > economies are always based on human decisions, don’t you see the irony man? What do you know? You’re just a kid! ---
**Author:** ![Pasa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@Pasa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Pasa)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/238 "2016-07-10T14:33:26Z")
> [@TaliaParks](#): > > Everything high-level Guilds have earned has been purely by Contributing millions of Gold. > > If lower-leveled players want to “bridge the gap”, then Contribute more. If they can’t/won’t, then too bad for them. Yes. The guild level has NOTHING to do with number of tasks completed or resources earned. One can start a new guild with 30 active members and if they play and donate whatever they earn, would get the same resources. The guild position is “only” effecting the recruitment chance – obviously. But I always see holes and a really active player should not have a problem getting into an active guild. ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 2:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/239 "2016-07-10T14:40:48Z")
> [@Gouki](#): > > I think “top 10 guilds get too much stuff” is a faulty generalisation considering the weekly trophy gains of top10 guilds vary vastly anywhere between 3k and 25k or even more. That’s true if you measure “top 10 guilds” by total trophies since the beginning of the game, but in makes no sense to use that definition in the current context. You need to measure top 10 by the current weekly activity (be it donations or trophies). If you do that, you’ll find that said “generalization” is not as faulty as you think. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/240 "2016-07-10T14:49:58Z")
No doubt there are reasons that things need to be secretive but there must be value in giving examples of the changes and receiving feedback prior to the changes going live ---
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255/241 "2016-07-10T15:05:06Z")
I feel bad for the direction this convo has turned and really wanted it to be a productive design discussion (sorry @Sirrian!), so let me see if I can explain it: The Dev team only has so much time in the day to create stuff for the next update so they need it to last, and they need it to last for the top players or else those players will leave. That means they have to design things with the resources of the top players in mind. When resources are too easy to obtain, this leads the Dev team to one of two choices: either restrict the flow by making changes to the source of the problem, or to inflate the costs of subsequent things so the resources go less far (have less purchasing power). This is exactly how national economies work in the real world: if you give out too many dollars then a single unit is no longer actually worth a dollar. This can lead to a spiral and the next thing you know it costs $10,000 dollars for a loaf of bread bc the currency has been devalued. (This has happened many times throughout the world, one of the best examples being Zimbabwe about 20 years ago.) This latter inflation scenario is what @Mr.Strange is referring to. If top players can get massive amounts of resources then the devs have to design new systems with those resources in mind. Doing this negatively impacts newer players bc they’re at such a disadvantageous starting point and see such crazy high costs that they will just go to another game. (And, as mentioned above, the game must be friendly to new players or it will wither and die. This also has a real world corollary: All populations have a “replacement rate” that’s necessary to sustain them or else they’ll disappear.) So when the devs talk about the economy, they’re talking about the rates at which players can earn resources and how those rates affect balance and design decisions for the development of the game and its content. They’re humans and they make mistakes, and this particular one is leading to a lot of inflation (as top players pull in excessive amounts of resources), which needs to be corrected for the long-term health of the game. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255.md?page=11) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-1-guild-tasks-nerf-and-replacement/9255.md?page=13)