# 2.0 Known Issues **URL:** \ **Category:** Support\ **Created:** [May 26, 2016, 4:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-0-known-issues/7368 "2016-05-26T04:28:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 311
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-0-known-issues/7368/311 "2016-05-27T17:03:47Z")
Sorry in advance for the craziness. I have been bingeing the original X Files series lately. That said… > [@2.0 PvP Modification Suggestion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-0-pvp-modification-suggestion/7424/69): > > This is going to sound weird, but I don’t think you currently lose PVP points for a defense loss. I’ve watched my losses counter go from 30-ish to 55, and I haven’t lost a single PVP point. I think you lose points for defense _wins_ – I have only two defense victories, and also only two lines in my log show me losing points. > > So, once again, it may be more effective to set weak defense teams. 😉 > [@Updated Mab in PvP graphs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/69): > > > [@Updated Mab in PvP graphs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/52): > > > > ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/6/60dfdbf67bd656ca9b77bde6e2616461012e561c.jpg) > > I think – and have said elsewhere – that the game is subtracting PVP points when your defense team _wins_. Look at those same three players you mentioned, all with similar win counts and points. The lower level player has radically more defense wins than the two 1000+ players. If I am right, then they would have subtracted off a lot of points from his/her total, and that same number of wins should be hundreds of points higher. --- _[View the full topic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/2-0-known-issues/7368)._